On Jun 30, 11:27*pm, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in * *heavy Atoms *not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently *the number of electrons *in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards *right from the nuc outwards (sort of * 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou * like *-sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence *that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore *no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the *electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short *--
*too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -
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The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch

They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com- Hide quoted text -

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That is no explanation. EM doesn't behave like gravity.

wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:27 pm, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun
30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells
are in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external
edge 4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -

The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch

They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is no explanation. EM doesn't behave like gravity.

Yes it does.
HA HA!


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman

On Jul 5, 11:41*am, "Spaceman"
wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:27 pm, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun
30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells
are in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external
edge 4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -

The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch

They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is no explanation. EM doesn't behave like gravity.

Yes it does.
HA HA!


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


No it doesn't. There is no gravitational repulsion keeping things
apart in orbit like there is for the EM force of electrons.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT wrote:
On Jul 5, 11:41 am, "Spaceman"
wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 30, 11:27 pm, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun
30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the
shells are in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of
'fountains' directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external
edge 4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -

The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch

They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun
can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is no explanation. EM doesn't behave like gravity.

Yes it does.
HA HA!


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


No it doesn't. There is no gravitational repulsion keeping things
apart in orbit like there is for the EM force of electrons.

How do you know?
Have you measured the static charges of the planets/moons etc.
and used such measurements along with the motion
they are orbiting at to keep themselves away?

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman