On Feb 25, 5:44*am, wrote:
On 24 fév, 20:03, higis wrote:





On Feb 25, 8:20 am, Sam Wormley wrote:



binding energy?

higis

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Yes. And I have trouble understand the details. For instance.
Wikipedia says:

"In general, binding energy represents the mechanical work
which must be done in acting against the forces which hold
an object together, while disassembling the object into
component parts separated by sufficient distance that further
separation requires negligible additional work."

Supposed I use mechanical work to pull the protons apart
in the helium to turn them into hydrogen. Well. After
the separations, the mass of the separated 2 hydrogens
is more than the 2 hydrogens fused in the helium (let's
just focus on the hydrogens). Now where do the extra
mass of the separated hydrogens come from? From
the mechanical work to pull the protons apart themselves?
Or does it conjure the energy or mass from the surrounding
(where) to reconstitute the separated hydrogens increased
mass?

hgis

You won't get a straight answer from orthodox physics.

All these explanations date back to before the internal
structure of nucleons was known,
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Hi Andre
so do you claim that now we know better about the internal
structure of the nuc ??
would you include me as someone who knowes something better ??? (:-)
(after reading my book ?? )

now a little quick explanation
you ust stick into your minds that
1 energy is mass in motion !!
got it once and forever MASS IN MOTION
in the nuc
it is not just mass it is even mass of some still unknown
subparticles !!

the proton ot neutrons ar enot justr built of 3 quarks
it is a chain of many sun orbitlas
and each orbita might be a subparticle
the active links of that chain
are on its edge !!!
as free ie connected just on one of their edges
the other edge is free tomakeconnecions
now those connections ar3 not just energy of even subparticledependant
it is even the proper *geometric *orientation of those
subparticles !!
now while a connection is done the connected perticles come closer
in order of doing it some of those subparticles
must give up and be shot out in order of making the right
geometric connection
9connections are possible only in some right
geometric angles
(generaaly speaking i found that
any connecion between orbitals is done
not on a straight line
but with a break of angle at the point of connection
(the 30 and 60 degrees break -is very common !!the 90 degree is less
common but still exists )
so
the binding energies are not just avague vapour
it is particles withmass
and to the question
why it is diffult to rebnuild the orriginal particles
in the op question
torebuild the protonneutron
it is not jsut pumpind in say heat
you need the secific orriginal subparticles
to 'pump in'
methaphorically

if your alternator of your car was broken
you cant replace it by just
pumping in say heat
**you must fit is a new GENERATOR
and not just a new generatot
it must be
**in the right place*
morover
all the wire connections must be on the right place !!!!

so
i cant give here a whole semester of nuclear structure
it is just the tip of the ICEBERG

while 90 percent is still under the water (:-)
while millions of pompus idiots and crooks are walking around
and posing as if they understand every thing !!

ATB
Y.Porat
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