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**Don Lancaster**

If I told U I'd have 2 kill U wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
David Rysdam wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote:
The Murinator wrote:

On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

On 24 Jul 2004 22:01:24 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

What do you have so show for your involvement with Meyer? (I meam,
other than an ulcer over your financial loss and your inability to
convince people that Meyer was legit.)

Far more than you will ever know.

A warm fuzzy feeling that you "helped a great inventor develop
technology for the benefit of mankind" doesn't count. Especially whan
that "great inventor" was a transparent, convicted (in court,
nonetheless!) fraud.

In a sham court case resulting in a ONE DOLLAR FINE.

That "sham court case" and "ONE DOLLAR FINE" are figments of your
imagination (more accurately, figments of Stan Meyer's imagination).
Recall that Stan Meyer himself told you this $1 figure -- it exists
nowhere else. Also recall he told you he could run a car on water and
that he'd make you rich if you invested thousands of dollars with him.

Stan was sued, found guilty of fraud, and ordered to repay Rick
Schneider and Forrest Harper each their $25,000 investments.

You wouldn't last a week in my shoes.

I'm afraid you're right. Your shoes are planted firmly on some other
planet. I prefer this one.

More like they are planted in your mouth.

Just how much money did you give Meyer?

Doesn't matter if I gave Meyer 1 dime or 1 million dollars.
If I did, I knew the risks.

Obviously you didn't know the risks. There were no risks -- it was a
sure bet you'd lose your entire investment.

And you did lose your entire investment.

As did EVERYONE else including the elderly
investor who was coerced into sueing him by the parties who wanted to
destroy his patents.

Who was this "elderly investor who was coerced into sueing him"?
Another figment of your imagination? Schneider and Harper were the
ones who sued him.

And besides, how would a lawsuit "destroy his patents"?

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Interestingly, the Meyer followers apparently later tried repeating the
entire scam with Xogen.

Boy was Xogen ever ****ed when they finally found out they had been had.
The Canadian equivalent of the SEC was even more ****ed and forced
public disclaimers.
Something utterly unheard of for a Canadian penny stock.

====

The key fallacy is this: Call it whatever you want, but to get from
water to separated hydrogen, ONE electron needs added per hydrogen atom.

Please expand on this "added electron".

One electron needs removed from the oxygen atom and one needs added to
the hydrogen atom to cause dissociation.

The motion of these atoms are by definition an electric current.
And is fundamental to Faraday's Law. Which ain't broke.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf for a detailed discussion.

Who EVER said that yu do not put electrical energy into the system to prime it?
And the O molecule in H2O has anywhere from six to eight electrons in it's shell.

Do ANYTHING except the experiment Mr. "Guru."

I have, of course, done the experiment.
It is totally bogus hogwash.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf

--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email:

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

**If I told U I'd have 2 kill U**

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
If I told U I'd have 2 kill U wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
David Rysdam wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote:
The Murinator wrote:

On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

On 24 Jul 2004 22:01:24 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

What do you have so show for your involvement with Meyer? (I meam,
other than an ulcer over your financial loss and your inability to
convince people that Meyer was legit.)

Far more than you will ever know.

A warm fuzzy feeling that you "helped a great inventor develop
technology for the benefit of mankind" doesn't count. Especially whan
that "great inventor" was a transparent, convicted (in court,
nonetheless!) fraud.

In a sham court case resulting in a ONE DOLLAR FINE.

That "sham court case" and "ONE DOLLAR FINE" are figments of your
imagination (more accurately, figments of Stan Meyer's imagination).
Recall that Stan Meyer himself told you this $1 figure -- it exists
nowhere else. Also recall he told you he could run a car on water and
that he'd make you rich if you invested thousands of dollars with him.

Stan was sued, found guilty of fraud, and ordered to repay Rick
Schneider and Forrest Harper each their $25,000 investments.

You wouldn't last a week in my shoes.

I'm afraid you're right. Your shoes are planted firmly on some other
planet. I prefer this one.

More like they are planted in your mouth.

Just how much money did you give Meyer?

Doesn't matter if I gave Meyer 1 dime or 1 million dollars.
If I did, I knew the risks.

Obviously you didn't know the risks. There were no risks -- it was a
sure bet you'd lose your entire investment.

And you did lose your entire investment.

As did EVERYONE else including the elderly
investor who was coerced into sueing him by the parties who wanted to
destroy his patents.

Who was this "elderly investor who was coerced into sueing him"?
Another figment of your imagination? Schneider and Harper were the
ones who sued him.

And besides, how would a lawsuit "destroy his patents"?

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Interestingly, the Meyer followers apparently later tried repeating the
entire scam with Xogen.

Boy was Xogen ever ****ed when they finally found out they had been had.
The Canadian equivalent of the SEC was even more ****ed and forced
public disclaimers.
Something utterly unheard of for a Canadian penny stock.

====

The key fallacy is this: Call it whatever you want, but to get from
water to separated hydrogen, ONE electron needs added per hydrogen atom.

Please expand on this "added electron".

One electron needs removed from the oxygen atom and one needs added to
the hydrogen atom to cause dissociation.

The motion of these atoms are by definition an electric current.
And is fundamental to Faraday's Law. Which ain't broke.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf for a detailed discussion.

Who EVER said that yu do not put electrical energy into the system to prime it?
And the O molecule in H2O has anywhere from six to eight electrons in it's shell.

Do ANYTHING except the experiment Mr. "Guru."

I have, of course, done the experiment.
It is totally bogus hogwash.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf

Sure.

**If I told U I'd have 2 kill U**

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
If I told U I'd have 2 kill U wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
David Rysdam wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote:
The Murinator wrote:

On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

On 24 Jul 2004 22:01:24 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

What do you have so show for your involvement with Meyer? (I meam,
other than an ulcer over your financial loss and your inability to
convince people that Meyer was legit.)

Far more than you will ever know.

A warm fuzzy feeling that you "helped a great inventor develop
technology for the benefit of mankind" doesn't count. Especially whan
that "great inventor" was a transparent, convicted (in court,
nonetheless!) fraud.

In a sham court case resulting in a ONE DOLLAR FINE.

That "sham court case" and "ONE DOLLAR FINE" are figments of your
imagination (more accurately, figments of Stan Meyer's imagination).
Recall that Stan Meyer himself told you this $1 figure -- it exists
nowhere else. Also recall he told you he could run a car on water and
that he'd make you rich if you invested thousands of dollars with him.

Stan was sued, found guilty of fraud, and ordered to repay Rick
Schneider and Forrest Harper each their $25,000 investments.

You wouldn't last a week in my shoes.

I'm afraid you're right. Your shoes are planted firmly on some other
planet. I prefer this one.

More like they are planted in your mouth.

Just how much money did you give Meyer?

Doesn't matter if I gave Meyer 1 dime or 1 million dollars.
If I did, I knew the risks.

Obviously you didn't know the risks. There were no risks -- it was a
sure bet you'd lose your entire investment.

And you did lose your entire investment.

As did EVERYONE else including the elderly
investor who was coerced into sueing him by the parties who wanted to
destroy his patents.

Who was this "elderly investor who was coerced into sueing him"?
Another figment of your imagination? Schneider and Harper were the
ones who sued him.

And besides, how would a lawsuit "destroy his patents"?

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Interestingly, the Meyer followers apparently later tried repeating the
entire scam with Xogen.

Boy was Xogen ever ****ed when they finally found out they had been had.
The Canadian equivalent of the SEC was even more ****ed and forced
public disclaimers.
Something utterly unheard of for a Canadian penny stock.

====

The key fallacy is this: Call it whatever you want, but to get from
water to separated hydrogen, ONE electron needs added per hydrogen atom.

Please expand on this "added electron".

One electron needs removed from the oxygen atom and one needs added to
the hydrogen atom to cause dissociation.

The motion of these atoms are by definition an electric current.
And is fundamental to Faraday's Law. Which ain't broke.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf for a detailed discussion.

Who EVER said that yu do not put electrical energy into the system to prime it?
And the O molecule in H2O has anywhere from six to eight electrons in it's shell.

Do ANYTHING except the experiment Mr. "Guru."

I have, of course, done the experiment.
It is totally bogus hogwash.

Here is the name of another man in your arae that has claimed to have
duplicated Stan's effect on a basic circuit to some level of success.
I am giving you his name in confidence and expect you to keep it to
yourself and not to post it on any newsgroups or web sites. We must
do everything we can to protect any who would have knowledge of
duplicating his process untill many more can do it and it will
perpetuate in a manner that cannot be disputed or stopped. Contact
him and see if he can be of assistance to you. He does not know me
but his name was given to me by those who were aware of his claim of
reproducing the effect. Give him a call and see what he says. Please
let me know of his response and comments to you please as I would like
to know what he has to say.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf --Pure propaganda

Was this before or after the smear job?
Donny yu are a piece of work.
Unless you are going to post the text of your smear job on Meyer, like
typical press "Gurus," I could not even begin to take you to task for
the raft of inaccuracies and ad hominem in your smear piece.
Nice work Mr."Guru."

**If I told U I'd have 2 kill U**

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
If I told U I'd have 2 kill U wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote in message ...
David Rysdam wrote:

Don Lancaster wrote:
The Murinator wrote:

On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

On 24 Jul 2004 22:01:24 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

What do you have so show for your involvement with Meyer? (I meam,
other than an ulcer over your financial loss and your inability to
convince people that Meyer was legit.)

Far more than you will ever know.

A warm fuzzy feeling that you "helped a great inventor develop
technology for the benefit of mankind" doesn't count. Especially whan
that "great inventor" was a transparent, convicted (in court,
nonetheless!) fraud.

In a sham court case resulting in a ONE DOLLAR FINE.

That "sham court case" and "ONE DOLLAR FINE" are figments of your
imagination (more accurately, figments of Stan Meyer's imagination).
Recall that Stan Meyer himself told you this $1 figure -- it exists
nowhere else. Also recall he told you he could run a car on water and
that he'd make you rich if you invested thousands of dollars with him.

Stan was sued, found guilty of fraud, and ordered to repay Rick
Schneider and Forrest Harper each their $25,000 investments.

You wouldn't last a week in my shoes.

I'm afraid you're right. Your shoes are planted firmly on some other
planet. I prefer this one.

More like they are planted in your mouth.

Just how much money did you give Meyer?

Doesn't matter if I gave Meyer 1 dime or 1 million dollars.
If I did, I knew the risks.

Obviously you didn't know the risks. There were no risks -- it was a
sure bet you'd lose your entire investment.

And you did lose your entire investment.

As did EVERYONE else including the elderly
investor who was coerced into sueing him by the parties who wanted to
destroy his patents.

Who was this "elderly investor who was coerced into sueing him"?
Another figment of your imagination? Schneider and Harper were the
ones who sued him.

And besides, how would a lawsuit "destroy his patents"?

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Interestingly, the Meyer followers apparently later tried repeating the
entire scam with Xogen.

Boy was Xogen ever ****ed when they finally found out they had been had.
The Canadian equivalent of the SEC was even more ****ed and forced
public disclaimers.
Something utterly unheard of for a Canadian penny stock.

====

The key fallacy is this: Call it whatever you want, but to get from
water to separated hydrogen, ONE electron needs added per hydrogen atom.

Please expand on this "added electron".

One electron needs removed from the oxygen atom and one needs added to
the hydrogen atom to cause dissociation.

The motion of these atoms are by definition an electric current.
And is fundamental to Faraday's Law. Which ain't broke.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf for a detailed discussion.

Who EVER said that yu do not put electrical energy into the system to prime it?
And the O molecule in H2O has anywhere from six to eight electrons in it's shell.

Do ANYTHING except the experiment Mr. "Guru."

I have, of course, done the experiment.

You are a liar.

It is totally bogus hogwash.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf

Dear Ted,
Have you actually reproduced the effect from Stan's circuitry yourslf as
described?
Regards,
JW

Dear JW.

Thank you for all your writing in this NG. I like your writing best.
People can learn something from you. Even (I think a friend of you)
Mr. OHannon do a good job here. Not so much for learning people
but he is a fighter.

I'm not found of talking about others inventions because I don't
know what WFC think about it. It's up to them if they want to learn
people more. But I make an exception for you and tell you here
what I was doing.

I read in an article (WIRELESS WORLD) about Stanley Meyer's
invention. It looks like a serious article and I keep my eyes open
for more information. The times goes on but nothing happened.

At this time (1992) I was developing electronic circuits for Hard
Coating Anodizing of Aluminum. Earlier I make some circuits for
remote control of hydraulic equipment (US Patent 4,360,807 etc.)
I ordered some of Stanley's patent and the circuit he use looks very
familiar to me.

It was impossible to stop thinking on that article so I have to make
some test. It was a very simple test, only for checking out if it was
possible to do what they say.

The water cell was very ugly. The bigger tubes was putting all
together with rubber band I take from a bicycle-tyre. I lock this
rubberband with tape. So you understand it looks very ugly.
For fixing the inner tube in center of the bigger one I make some
small plugs. This plugs tighten the tubes so I got to drill a few
holes for the water to come in between the tubes. In the other end
(upper) the small tubes was holding in position only with the current
wire and some small parts of nylon I have to put there for a better
centering. All this was putting down in a big plastic can with tap
water covered the bigger tubes and the smaller tubes goes up in
the air 20 cm.

My first test was not successful because the used transformer start
burning when I tried to adjust the frequency. Of any reason, I don't
remember now, I thought the voltage should be 15.000V. It was a
mistake.

The next test was very successful. When adjusting the frequency it
start bubbling. I never seen so much bubbles before.

I make a lot of test with different inductors. When I change inductor
I also have to change the frequency. I found that it must be some
problem with the balance between the tubes and you have to
compensate it with the other inductor. I think it depends on different
areas on tubes (outer and inner).

With a small changes using the centertap of the transformer this
problem disappear.

Now! What was it coming out from the water cell? Steam or
hydrogen/oxygen?

I glue a smaller can on the top of the big one. From the top of the
new can I connecting a tube leading the gas to the bottom of
another can filled with water for preventing a flush back. In the
bottom of that can I use a noise reducer from a compressed air
cylinder. The noise reducer makes the bubbles very small. In the
top of the can I put a dish-pad of stainless steel.

When fired the gas it burns why it must be oxygen/hydrogen coming
out. The flame was nearly invisible but the upper wires on the
dish-pad glows. When blowing out the flame it igniting at once again
because the wires in the dish-pad was still glowing.

As you see it not a serious laboratory test but after this test I
believe it was true what Stanley Meyer's patent says.

Stanley Meyer was a big scientist, I can see that from his patent,
but was he all the time jumping to a new idea and never finished
anything.

If I understand his inventions to 100% then the most interesting part
must be the STEAM RESONATOR using for heating water. But
where is the patent????

Regards, Ted!

//////
Sure you did the Experiment Mr. "Guru."

**If I told U I'd have 2 kill U**

Bill Snyder wrote in message . ..
On 26 Jul 2004 08:49:56 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...
On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Nope, now we are still all victims of the FOSSIL FUEL powers that Be.

You appear rather to be a victim of the voices in your head.

And you are a sock puppet.

**Bill Snyder**

On 26 Jul 2004 22:47:51 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

Bill Snyder wrote in message . ..
On 26 Jul 2004 08:49:56 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...
On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Nope, now we are still all victims of the FOSSIL FUEL powers that Be.

You appear rather to be a victim of the voices in your head.

And you are a sock puppet.

Sure I am, wacko. We're out to get you, you know, all of us here in
the Fossil Fuel Powers That Be control center. We beam mind-control
rays at you from all those "GPS" satellites 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week. And it's working beautifully. We've got you babbling like a
brook, convincing everyone you talk to that you're completely insane.
When we finally come for you in the black helicopters, nobody will
even notice.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]

**If I told U I'd have 2 kill U**

Bill Snyder wrote in message . ..
On 26 Jul 2004 22:47:51 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

Bill Snyder wrote in message . ..
On 26 Jul 2004 08:49:56 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...
On 25 Jul 2004 12:17:38 -0700, (If I told U I'd
have 2 kill U) wrote:

(The Murinator) wrote in message ...

Everyone was especially aware of the risk that he would NEVER live to
see his technology brought to the public.
High risk, high reward....or none.
Meyer's death didn't help anyone.

Except for his future victims.

Nope, now we are still all victims of the FOSSIL FUEL powers that Be.

You appear rather to be a victim of the voices in your head.

And you are a sock puppet.

Sure I am, wacko. We're out to get you, you know, all of us here in
the Fossil Fuel Powers That Be control center. We beam mind-control
rays at you from all those "GPS" satellites 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week. And it's working beautifully. We've got you babbling like a
brook, convincing everyone you talk to that you're completely insane.
When we finally come for you in the black helicopters, nobody will
even notice.

Bill Snyder
[This space unintentionally left blank.] ---the space between your ears.

Stupid sock puppet

**Psalm 110**