On Aug 19, 2:49*pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:
(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab

Many more helpful links, videos, interviews from all sides of the
debate at end of post.

www.lhcfacts.org


I recall at a town meeting in Maypearl, Texas, when the
Superconducting Super Collider was being proposed, a kindly looking
woman stood up and asked it if was true that there were magnets in the
tunnel underground. She was told yes, very powerful magnets. She said
that this is what she had heard too and that there was a real risk
that children with braces in their mouths would get pulled to the
ground if they walked directly overhead. The ambient noise in the town
hall increased as the scientists in the room considered how to
respond. Finally, one of them asked her who had told her that. Another
man stood up and said he did, and asked if it was true. The SSC fella
asked this man what he did in Maypearl. It turns out he was a real
estate developer, and he had spread this little fabrication around
because he was certain that property values in Maypearl were going to
decline when the SSC came in.

PD

On Aug 20, 6:36 am, PD wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:49 pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:

(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab

Many more helpful links, videos, interviews from all sides of the
debate at end of post.

www.lhcfacts.org

I recall at a town meeting in Maypearl, Texas, when the
Superconducting Super Collider was being proposed, a kindly looking
woman stood up and asked it if was true that there were magnets in the
tunnel underground. She was told yes, very powerful magnets. She said
that this is what she had heard too and that there was a real risk
that children with braces in their mouths would get pulled to the
ground if they walked directly overhead. The ambient noise in the town
hall increased as the scientists in the room considered how to
respond. Finally, one of them asked her who had told her that. Another
man stood up and said he did, and asked if it was true. The SSC fella
asked this man what he did in Maypearl. It turns out he was a real
estate developer, and he had spread this little fabrication around
because he was certain that property values in Maypearl were going to
decline when the SSC came in.

PD

And that is about the same level
of intelligence that accepts Black Holes as real.
Matter can accrete to where it annihilates itself just
as easily as a snake can eat its own tail to where
it disappears.

John

On Aug 20, 6:36 am, PD wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:49 pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:

(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab

Many more helpful links, videos, interviews from all sides of the
debate at end of post.

www.lhcfacts.org

I recall at a town meeting in Maypearl, Texas, when the
Superconducting Super Collider was being proposed, a kindly looking
woman stood up and asked it if was true that there were magnets in the
tunnel underground. She was told yes, very powerful magnets. She said
that this is what she had heard too and that there was a real risk
that children with braces in their mouths would get pulled to the
ground if they walked directly overhead. The ambient noise in the town
hall increased as the scientists in the room considered how to
respond. Finally, one of them asked her who had told her that. Another
man stood up and said he did, and asked if it was true. The SSC fella
asked this man what he did in Maypearl. It turns out he was a real
estate developer, and he had spread this little fabrication around
because he was certain that property values in Maypearl were going to
decline when the SSC came in.

PD

And that is about the same level
of intelligence that accepts Black Holes as real.
Matter can accrete to where it annihilates itself just
as easily as a snake can eat its own tail to where
it disappears.

John

On Aug 19, 9:49*pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:
(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab

Many more helpful links, videos, interviews from all sides of the
debate at end of post.

www.lhcfacts.org
[snip]

Here's the key point:


"If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much
higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is
still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC are
harmful. [...] "


Well that sums it up pretty well.

Energies as high as the LHC will produce bombard the earth on the
order of 1m times per second.
That guarantees us 100% safety. The LHC merely provides a place to
analyze the resulting collisions in great detail.

The same can not be said about fission devices or bose-einstein
condensates.. those conditions are such that have never been observed
in the universe. If you want to be afraid of manmade cataclysms,
those are a better bet.

Well, it's all good for the LHC - any publicity is good publicity.

On Aug 19, 2:49*pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:
(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab


If this ends up happening, you always have the option of redress in
tort court. I imagine you'll be able to file for a substantial damages
claim.

PD

On Aug 20, 2:35 am, "Androcles" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 19, 8:04 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 19, 2:49 pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:
To achieve the

observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons

(specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the
average

person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light).

yeah that's less than one percent...

Good thing the average person is a tad more intelligent than the Cretins
Against Colliders (or whatever it is he's against).

he's against knowing what he types...i can't wait for them to fire
that puppy up...

All that you'll see come of it is papers written by cretins trying to be
mathematicians. Lots of papers, nothing new. It's a toy for training
tiny minds into thinking they are great... but we have to try.
I heard the humble TV tube is to be replaced by an array of glowing
lights (now called a plasma screen) so it will no longer be necessary
to atom-smash the old phosphors with high voltage electron
beams... yawn).

my view is that whatever we're doing is why we exist, pollution and
all; just helplessly following the blueprint of the universe. lhc
seems the biggest most cooperative example of what we do - consolidate
energy, (same as a potato or a colony of ants). i sympathize with your
view of the politics/human hubris of the thing, and also realize that
dissent is required by the law of large numbers, but i still think lhc
is pretty neat...

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
LHC Awareness wrote:

(European Organization for Nuclear Research) Build Worlds
Largest 17 Mile Round Particle Accelerator

Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG Conditions In Lab
[snip crap]

Bull****.

The Church of Rome banned crossbows in warfare because they would
extinguish all human life on Earth. The human body would disintegrate
if it traveled at 35 mph on a train. A human would go insane 1000 ft
up in a balloon. Nobody could survive in micro-gee orbit.
snip...

And in 1945 the atomic bomb was going to ignite the atmosphere and blow up
the earth or at least cook it..

wrote in message
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On Aug 20, 2:35 am, "Androcles" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 19, 8:04 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Aug 19, 2:49 pm, "LHC Awareness"
wrote:
To achieve the

observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these
Hadrons

(specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to
the
average

person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light).

yeah that's less than one percent...

Good thing the average person is a tad more intelligent than the
Cretins
Against Colliders (or whatever it is he's against).

he's against knowing what he types...i can't wait for them to fire
that puppy up...

All that you'll see come of it is papers written by cretins trying to be
mathematicians. Lots of papers, nothing new. It's a toy for training
tiny minds into thinking they are great... but we have to try.
I heard the humble TV tube is to be replaced by an array of glowing
lights (now called a plasma screen) so it will no longer be necessary
to atom-smash the old phosphors with high voltage electron
beams... yawn).

my view is that whatever we're doing is why we exist, pollution and
all; just helplessly following the blueprint of the universe. lhc
seems the biggest most cooperative example of what we do - consolidate
energy, (same as a potato or a colony of ants). i sympathize with your
view of the politics/human hubris of the thing, and also realize that
dissent is required by the law of large numbers, but i still think lhc
is pretty neat...

Not as "neat" as Concorde or the Titanic or the British Museum or
a cell phone or an electron microscope but it's still a big new toy, you'll
get over it. Go smash a proton with a proton, they won't let me play
with big boys toys so maybe I'm jealous.
Heck, I didn't even get to fly on Concorde even though I helped build it.

Funny how when one proton is approaching the other at 6.0E+08 m/s
that's "at near c"... some people need a 2x4 laid alongside the ear
to double their intelligence.
Relativist cranks are as crazed as ".99999999 % the speed of light".
Whooohoo, I can write lots of 9's and still screw up.

Dear luke.s...:

On Aug 20, 7:25*am, wrote:
...
The same can not be said about fission devices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...ission_reactor

or bose-einstein condensates..

http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.4158

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/fo...1385;boardseen

http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3692

those conditions are such that have never been
observed in the universe.

Well...

*If you want to be afraid of manmade cataclysms,
those are a better bet.

Just consider the capital of any country in the world, if you want to
see cataclysm in the making... whether or not that is "natural"
behavior...

Well, it's all good for the LHC - any publicity is
good publicity.

Didn't work for animal testing, and that is a lot of periphery to
guard...

After they publish their first result, and teh world does not end 4
minutes later, the fogetting will begin.

David A. Smith

In article xtFqk.197935$gc5.34101@pd7urf2no,
rmed (LHC Awareness) writes:

Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would
create Black Holes on Purpose?

Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved
wish to usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians,

Of course not. It's the politicians, as history has shown, who
jump at the chance to usher in oblivion for any group other than
their own.

In the meantime, read "The Hole Man" by Larry Niven.

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