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A while back, I came up with something that defined alpha, the fine
structure constant, in terms of geometry and Chaos Theory constants: Its an irrational number: alpha=7.29 735 257 240 051 31... x10^-3 1/alpha=137.035 999 025 471 68... Regards, Jay Bala. There is another famous dimensionless constant "PI" that is also an irrational number (goes on forevver without end) that shows these constants are based on geometric ratios. |
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Let me give you the equation:
Lets define, 1) 1/alphaPrime=((180*Phi)^2)/(20*pi^3) 2) For period doubling, as the limit approching infinity in chaos theory: Feigenbaum constant delta: deltaF=delta Feigenbaum constant=4.66920.... 3) For period doubling reduced from one doubling to the next, converges to: Feigenbaum constant alpha: alphaF=alpha Feigenbaum constant=2.50290... then, 1/alpha=1/alphaPrime+alphaF/10+sqrt(10/deltaF) Rearranging the alphaPrime shows that its in fact a product of radians and the golden ratio. Regards, Jay Bala. On Jun 30, 10:55 pm, Jay Bala wrote: A while back, I came up with something that defined alpha, the fine structure constant, in terms of geometry and Chaos Theory constants: Its an irrational number: alpha=7.29 735 257 240 051 31... x10^-3 1/alpha=137.035 999 025 471 68... Regards, Jay Bala. There is another famous dimensionless constant "PI" that is also an irrational number (goes on forevver without end) that shows these constants are based on geometric ratios. |
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On Jun 30, 7:22�pm, John C. Polasek wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted: Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf- did not match any documents. an't imagine what is Suggestions: � � * Make sure all words are spelled correctly. � � * Try different keywords. � � * Try more general keywords. John Polasek John, I click on your paste and the link shows up. I can't imagine what is wrong with your access. Has no one else had your problem? Regards; Tom. http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Ph.../dp/096315463X |
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On Jul 1, 9:21Â*am, " wrote:
On Jun 30, 7:22�pm, John C. Polasek wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted: Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf- did not match any documents. an't imagine what is Suggestions: � � * Make sure all words are spelled correctly. � � * Try different keywords. � � * Try more general keywords. John Polasek John, I click on your paste and the link shows up. Â*I can't imagine what is wrong with your access. Â*Has no one else had your problem? Regards; Tom. http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Ph...ometric-Struct... John, try this: Go to: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/ Then go down the list and double click on CHARGESPIN.pdf BTW. while you are there, you might like to download : Quantumstepresistancedissipation.pdf I wrote this paper a couple of years ago and never got around to publishing it, rathe I included the information in my book available from Amazon.com |
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:24:01 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jul 1, 9:21*am, " wrote: On Jun 30, 7:22?pm, John C. Polasek wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted: Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf- did not match any documents. an't imagine what is Suggestions: ? ? * Make sure all words are spelled correctly. ? ? * Try different keywords. ? ? * Try more general keywords. John Polasek John, I click on your paste and the link shows up. *I can't imagine what is wrong with your access. *Has no one else had your problem? Regards; Tom. http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Ph...ometric-Struct... John, try this: Go to: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/ Then go down the list and double click on CHARGESPIN.pdf BTW. while you are there, you might like to download : Quantumstepresistancedissipation.pdf I wrote this paper a couple of years ago and never got around to publishing it, rathe I included the information in my book available from Amazon.com Yes, that's a wonderful list of your papers. We haven't seen your hand in a couple of years. I tried to absorb the ideas. In chargespin it looks like Poynting is chasing his tail, in fact it looks like the curl of some quantity. Are you able to arrive at the magic number 1836? John Polasek |
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On Jul 1, 2:28�pm, John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:24:01 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Jul 1, 9:21�am, " wrote: On Jun 30, 7:22?pm, John C. Polasek wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted: Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf- did not match any documents. an't imagine what is Suggestions: ? ? * Make sure all words are spelled correctly. ? ? * Try different keywords. ? ? * Try more general keywords. John Polasek John, I click on your paste and the link shows up. �I can't imagine what is wrong with your access. �Has no one else had your problem? Regards; Tom. http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Ph...ometric-Struct... John, try this: Go to: http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/ Then go down the list and double click on CHARGESPIN.pdf BTW. while you are there, you might like to download �: Quantumstepresistancedissipation.pdf I wrote this paper a couple of years ago and never got around to publishing it, rathe I included the information in my book available from Amazon.com Yes, that's a wonderful list of your papers. We haven't seen your hand in a couple of years. I tried to absorb the ideas. In chargespin it looks like Poynting is chasing his tail, in fact it looks like the curl of some quantity. Are you able to arrive at the magic number 1836? John Polasek- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - John, yes the structures scale to the mass ratio of both the proton and neutron. The composites are constructed of their final decay particles, (electrons and neutrinos) the neutron clearly shows the elecron and electron type neutrino are in the neutron rather than being created just at the time of decay. The structures give the proton mass ratio of; 1836.14676824396 (NIST 1836.152701) And the neutron mass ratio of, 1838.6843966164 (NIST 1838.683662) Regards: Tom. P.S. NIST adjusted the fundamental physical constants in 2007 so many of the papers in my FTP files are out of date. The new book just published (2008) shows the new constants. I had to rub in the fact that the standard model cannot derive a single fundamental constant, and the geometry I have been working with gets them all to the same precision they are known experimentally. http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Ph.../dp/096315463X |
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On Jun 30, 9:55*pm, Jay Bala wrote:
alpha=7.29 735 257 240 051 31... x10^-3 1/alpha=137.035 999 025 471 68... That's the low energy asymptotic value. As you ramp up the energy in a scattering process and probe deeper into the field of a source, the effective value of alpha increases. This occurs because the source being probed by a scatting process actually deviates from Coulomb, as you probe deeper into it. For electromagnetism, the effective potential goes faster than 1/r, though it's 1/r when far-removed from the source. There's a huge industry that is (and has long been around) dedicated to the question of the inverse scattering problem (reconstructing an image, here, the profile of the potential surrounding a source, from the results of scattering done off the source). One actually sees the effective alpha go up at high energies. It's widely believed (but not a complete consensus) that theory predicts, in fact, that it would approach infinity at a finite positive radius. That's called the Landau Pole. To some extent this may be classically modelled. On general principles, one would expect an effective dynamics for the dielectric coefficient epsilon to be given by an equation of the form [] log(epsilon_0) = -K epsilon_0 (E^2 - B^2 c^2) for some positive constant K. This translates directly into an equation d^2(log alpha)/d(1/r)^2 = k alpha, for some constant k. From this you can get any of a wide variety of phases, including one that replicates the features of the Landau Pole. Other solutions, interestingly, include a phase where the effective field E approaches a constant as r - infinity, and alpha - 0 as r - 0. These features are called, respectively, "infrared slavery" and "asymptotic freedom". For non-Abelian gauge fields (SU(3), here) it's the basis of confinement that rules out the existence of monopole sources. In this phase, sources with bounded fields can only exist as dipoles or higher order multipoles (which includes, in SU(3), the 3- body neutral sources with 3 charges bound to each other). The 3-Way Kiss -- the Real Life Version http://www.flickr.com/photos/confusedamused/20988689/ |
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Rather, steradian: (180/pi)^2
Jay Bala. On Jun 30, 11:22 pm, Jay Bala wrote: Lets define, 1) 1/alphaPrime=((180*Phi)^2)/(20*pi^3) .. .. .. Rearranging the alphaPrime shows that its in fact a product of radians and the golden ratio. Regards, Jay Bala. |
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On Jun 30, 11:22 pm, Jay Bala wrote:
Let me give you the equation: Lets define, 1) 1/alphaPrime=((180*Phi)^2)/(20*pi^3) 2) For period doubling, as the limit approching infinity in chaos theory: Feigenbaum constant delta: deltaF=delta Feigenbaum constant=4.66920.... 3) For period doubling reduced from one doubling to the next, converges to: Feigenbaum constant alpha: alphaF=alpha Feigenbaum constant=2.50290... then, 1/alpha=1/alphaPrime+alphaF/10+sqrt(10/deltaF) Correction: 1/alpha=1/alphaPrime+alphaF/10+sqrt(10/deltaF)x10^-5 Regards, Jay Bala. |
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