On Jun 26, 1:24 pm, "Bill Miller"
wrote:

John Kanzius is an Amateur Radio Operator that has demonstrated the ability
to dissociate salt water into Hydrogen and Oxygen using RF.

Yes, this is the one that created all the buzz. But there has been no
demonstration that this RF electrolysis has liberated more energy than
what was put in.

He is also
involved in a fascinating RF-based cancer-fighting technique that might be
described as "nano-based targeted diathermy." OT but very promising and
very interesting.

This is actually old news. A man named Royal Rife invented a large
microscope with which he claimed he could see some of the viruses that
caused cancer. He then discovered that (viruses being crystals) you
could find diathermy frequencies at which the viruses were destroyed.
He worked with some medical doctors testing these ideas and produces a
large number of cancer cures. The medical establishment was not
amused. They ran Rife and his doctors out of business. All his
microscopes have disappeared. His machinist still sells diathermy
machines, but without the microscope you can't tune them. He just
sweeps the frequencies back and forth which is obviously much less
effective.

For more information see the book, "The cancer cure that worked" by
Barry Lynes

"Benj"

For more information see the book, "The cancer cure that worked" by
Barry Lynes

It seems to me that diathermy could not work effectively. More chances have
chemical treatments. I have come across the John Schneider cancer cure. He
recommend MgSO4 (Epsom salt) and Vit C. It have sense. Epsom salt cure all
skin rashes. It is quite possible that a "non-visible internal" also. Today
diet is very often deficient in magnesium and sulfur.
S*

"Bert Hickman" wrote in message
. ..
Vince Morgan wrote:

Hi Vince,

You read correctly. A similar paper, "Arc-liberated chemical energy
exceeds electrical input energy" can also be found in the Journal of
Plasma Physics (UK) (2000), 63: 115-128, by Dr. Peter Graneau. Other
papers dealing with underwater electrical explosions include:

"Electrodynamic explosions in liquids", Applied Physics Letters, March
1, 1985, Volume 46, Issue 5, pp. 468-470, by Peter Graneau and P. Neal
Graneau

"Powerful water-plasma explosions", Physics Letters A, Volume 117, Issue
2, 28 July 1986, Pages 101-105, by Roy Azevedo, Peter Graneau, Charles
Millet, Neal Graneau

"The Anomalous Strength of Cold Fog Explosions Caused by Water Arcs",
Pulsed Power '98 (Digest No. 1998/258 and 1998/441), IEE Symposium on
1-2 Apr 1998 Page(s):40/1 - 40/3, by Neal Graneau

In the first cited paper above, Dr. Graneau used a capacitor bank with
known initial energy to create an underwater arc within a volume of
water inside a thick steel tube. The explosive capacitor discharge
creates a fog that exits the tube at high velocity (100 - 1000 m/s)
depending on the initial bank energy. Graneau measured the momentum and
energy of the high velocity water fog using a ballistic pendulum. He
found that, for many (but not all) "shots", the kinetic energy of the
water jet exceeded the initial energy of the capacitor bank by as much
as 40%. Additional energy was (apparently) liberated from the media, but
the mechanisms have not been identified. The phenomenon was relatively
repeatable...

Bert
--
I find this subject very interesting. The more I think about it the more
weird it seems to be.
An emission spectra would be interesting to examine I think.
There would have to be very rapid component separation within the plasma,
surely. But, as little gas is found in the final products it would appear
that they also recombine rapidly. The recombination should be implosive?
The lack of steam indicates a largely adiabatic process? There is a
pressure wave but apparently the overall pressure normalizes very rapidly
and leaves no residual expansion of the products. So how do the water
droplets form? If it is condensate it shouldn't be a 'cold fog'. A
shockwave of sufficient magnitude would be a likely candidate I would think.
I can't see a transition from bulk water to droplets releasing much energy,
if any at all. But then again, I don't have the skills to determine this at
all.
However, as small water droplets can ionize perhaps they do become
repulsive.
If this is true and there is to be found excess energy (and apparently there
is) the source for that should be found either within the plasma, or in very
close proximity to it one would think.
Regards,
Vince

"Vince Morgan" vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.auwrote
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"Bert Hickman" wrote in message
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Vince Morgan wrote:

--
I find this subject very interesting. The more I think about it the more
weird it seems to be.
An emission spectra would be interesting to examine I think.
There would have to be very rapid component separation within the plasma,
surely. But, as little gas is found in the final products it would appear
that they also recombine rapidly. The recombination should be implosive?
The lack of steam indicates a largely adiabatic process? There is a
pressure wave but apparently the overall pressure normalizes very rapidly
and leaves no residual expansion of the products. So how do the water
droplets form?

It is the segmentation of a conductor. See:
http://www.df.lth.se/%7Esnorkelf/Lon...00000000000000

If it is condensate it shouldn't be a 'cold fog'. A
shockwave of sufficient magnitude would be a likely candidate I would
think.
I can't see a transition from bulk water to droplets releasing much
energy,
if any at all. But then again, I don't have the skills to determine this
at
all.
However, as small water droplets can ionize perhaps they do become
repulsive.

It is better to say "charged".

If this is true and there is to be found excess energy (and apparently
there
is) the source for that should be found either within the plasma, or in
very
close proximity to it one would think.

To charge something we need a source of charge with a voltage. The Earth is
such. The bulk of water has very small electrical capacity. The droplets
formed during segmentation have huge electrical capacity.
Similar proces has place when water evaporate from grounded metal container.
Steem is charged and migrate up quickly. Without the connection with the
Earth the steem is neutral and is lazy. Is there an excess energy?
S*

"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote in message
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"Vince Morgan" vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.auwrote
u...
"Bert Hickman" wrote in message
. ..
Vince Morgan wrote:

--
I find this subject very interesting. The more I think about it the
more
weird it seems to be.
An emission spectra would be interesting to examine I think.
There would have to be very rapid component separation within the
plasma,
surely. But, as little gas is found in the final products it would
appear
that they also recombine rapidly. The recombination should be
implosive?
The lack of steam indicates a largely adiabatic process? There is a
pressure wave but apparently the overall pressure normalizes very
rapidly
and leaves no residual expansion of the products. So how do the water
droplets form?

It is the segmentation of a conductor. See:

http://www.df.lth.se/%7Esnorkelf/Lon...00000000000000

Yes, that makes sense. I also saw a citation where a Graneau did this wire
experiment in water, with similar segmentation.
I notice that two different Graneaus appear in the citations Bert quoted,
and I have to wonder if he is one of them.

If it is condensate it shouldn't be a 'cold fog'. A
shockwave of sufficient magnitude would be a likely candidate I would
think.
I can't see a transition from bulk water to droplets releasing much
energy,
if any at all. But then again, I don't have the skills to determine
this
at
all.
However, as small water droplets can ionize perhaps they do become
repulsive.

It is better to say "charged".

If this is true and there is to be found excess energy (and apparently
there
is) the source for that should be found either within the plasma, or in
very
close proximity to it one would think.

To charge something we need a source of charge with a voltage. The Earth
is
such. The bulk of water has very small electrical capacity. The droplets
formed during segmentation have huge electrical capacity.
Similar proces has place when water evaporate from grounded metal
container.
Steem is charged and migrate up quickly. Without the connection with the
Earth the steem is neutral and is lazy. Is there an excess energy?
I'll have to give the above more thought. And, yes. It is reported that as
much as 40% over that supplied.
Interesting.
Regards,
Vince

"Vince Morgan"

I'll have to give the above more thought. And, yes. It is reported that
as
much as 40% over that supplied.
Interesting.

Would be interesting to know results with and without conection to earth.
S*