I just saw Ben Stein's documentary "Expelled: no intelligence allowed"
over at the $1 theater and it was a great piece of work. Namely those
promoting the dogma of establishment science. This is a subject near
and dear to my heart upon which I have been known to post here
repeatedly, but it always bears bringing the subject up one more
time.

Although this film is on the subject of publishing papers on
"intelligent design" and the attacks upon one career that occur if
such transgressions against establishment dogma are even suggested let
alone advocated, the same actions can be equally seen if one chooses
to discuss a whole host of "anti-establishment" topics. I leave it as
an exercise for the interested student to make a list of topics upon
which any attempt to publish credible research will be a fast track to
the unemployment line.

The attacks always take the same form. The author is accused of
"pseudoscience". The authors find that grants and support dry up.
Papers are rejected. Jobs suddenly become unavailable. You get fired.
You get denied tenure and not for the normal reasons like being a
woman or not willing to grovel before the tenured faculty. Attacks
often extend to being accused of mental illness or incompetence.

So what is going on? I'll tell you. The problem, dear reader, is YOU!
You are simply too smart and too perceptive to be allowed free reign
in a world ruled by mass politics. You can too easily see through the
myriad political scams designed to keep those who rule, in power and
rich! Hence, a way had to be found to control you and keep you in
line! And what is that way? It's the "university" system that has been
developed along with "peer review" and government and other
"controlled" funding of research that makes sure that certain topics
and certain ideas are never given free and open discussion. You ALL
know this is true. But most of you can't say a thing though because
unlike me, you still have a career in science that can be lost.

This documentary is especially interesting to me in that it pulls very
few punches. It makes the connection between communist doctrine and
establishment dogma. It makes the connection, for example between
Hitler's death camps for the disabled and other "defectives" and the
American "Eugenics" research at Cold Harbor (which by the way, changed
its name but still exists) that Hitler was so taken with. It points
out the connection between atheism (the state religion of leftist
regimes) and Darwinism. And best of all it shows the draconian
punishment awaiting any research who steps even a little bit out of
line! Yes, Virginia they WILL "make an example of you" if you drift
even a little bit into a "forbidden zone"!

All of you out there, listen to me. If you are just the least bit
interested in REAL science, this documentary is required viewing. It
should soon be out on DVD so go steal a copy from a friend or if you
must, rent it from Blockbuster. Your first lesson in science boys and
girls is that science is NOT the pure exercise of intellect and free
inquiry you thought it was. It is about making sure that aspects of
knowledge that threaten the power of the elite stay tightly
"controlled". There is POLITICS right down at the core of modern
science and sorry to say, politics operates best with lies. And it's
high time you all learned how this politics works whether you choose
to join in the lies or work to eliminate them.

Ok. Now all you with the GS rating can start posting the suggestion
that I go look for my "tinfoil hat". Of course you haven't viewed this
movie and never will, but I'm sure you are nevertheless convinced that
it's all "pseudoscience", lies and right wing Christian tripe. [All
perpetrated by the well-known right wing Christian evangelist Ben
Stein! :-) ]

Our profession is in dire need of a good housecleaning! I say this
documentary is one good step in the right direction.

Benj wrote:

I just saw Ben Stein's documentary "Expelled: no intelligence allowed"
over at the $1 theater and it was a great piece of work. Namely those
promoting the dogma of establishment science. This is a subject near
and dear to my heart upon which I have been known to post here
repeatedly, but it always bears bringing the subject up one more
time.
[snip 68 lines of crap]

1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.
2) Idiot.

(physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

Faith is destroyed if it works. If you have faith you can only be
denied. Test of faith! What can be asserted without evidence can
also be dismissed without evidence.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...

1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.

NASA?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT), Benj wrote:

It makes the connection, for example between
Hitler's death camps for the disabled and other "defectives" and the
American "Eugenics" research at Cold Harbor (which by the way, changed
its name but still exists) that Hitler was so taken with.

Well, that didn't take long.

--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"email address"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads

"Tom M" wrote in message

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
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1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.

NASA?

He said _science_. NASA is a marketing organization.

On Jun 19, 2:59*am, Benj wrote:


The attacks always take the same form. The author is accused of
"pseudoscience". The authors find that grants and support dry up.
Papers are rejected. Jobs suddenly become unavailable. You get fired.
You get denied tenure and not for the normal reasons like being a
woman or not willing to grovel before the tenured faculty. Attacks
often extend to being accused of mental illness or incompetence.


I don't know why everyone is surprised,it is not a new development and
is a natural part of the empirical defences ,the old commie manifestos
were full of this breathless stuff and no wonder Americans intutively
hate the pseudo-pomp of empiricists,apart from the last approach to an
objector,the following excerpt from the 1930's just about covers it
all -

"When his allegiance is attacked, the psychopolitical operative should
explain his connection with Vienna on the grounds that Vienna is the
place of study for all important matters of the mind.

More importantly, he should rule into scorn, by reason of his
authority, the sanity of the person attacking him, and if the
psychopolitical archives of the country are adequate many defamatory
data can be unearthed and presented as a rebuttal.

Should anyone attempt to expose psychotherapy as a psychopolitical
activity, the best defense is calling into question the sanity of the
attacker. The next best defense is authority. The next best defense is
a validation of psychiatric practices in terms of long and impressive
figures. The next best defense is the actual removal of the attacker
by giving him, or them, treatment sufficient to bring about a period
of insanity for the duration of the trial. This, more than anything
else, would discredit them, but it is dangerous to practice this, in
the extreme." Chapter X

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7....html#anchor10

An ideology succeeds so long as it does not admit 'failure' and Uncle
Al is more or less affirming the party line even though the core
empirical framework which supports conceptual views of the
cosmological arena are astrological in content and character.

When an ideology moves to a phase of all stick and no carrot then it
becomes interesting and so it should.Wile many think that the problem
can be restricted to biological evolutionary material,the real problem
is with structural and timekeeping astronomy.

"Greg Neill" wrote in message
m...
"Tom M" wrote in message

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...

1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.

NASA?

He said _science_. NASA is a marketing organization.
Truer words have not been spoken.

In news:sci.physics, oriel36 posted on Wed,
18 Jun 2008 20:13:33 -0700 (PDT):

I don't know why everyone is surprised,it is not a new development and
is a natural part of the empirical defences ,the old commie manifestos
were full of this breathless stuff and no wonder Americans intutively
hate the pseudo-pomp of empiricists,apart from the last approach to an
objector,the following excerpt from the 1930's just about covers it
all -

And this exhibits the same problem. People would rather find
something someone else has said that they agree with rather than
coming up with something new on their own.

Damaeus

On Jun 18, 9:15*pm, Uncle Al wrote:
Benj wrote:
[snip 68 lines of crap]

Al, you forgot to mention "tinfoil hat"!

* *1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.

Physical science is FILLED with "empircal failures"! And the problem
is not failure, but refusal to OPENLY DISCUSS those failures! The so-
called "theory of evolution" is FILLED with questions, but you high
priests do NOT permit any discussion of them. You bear false witness
by asserting that the theory is infallible. Clearly this is some kind
of religious dogma and NOT a scientific attitude!

How many "empirical failures" of physical science have there been? How
much time do you have? Heavier than air craft can't fly! You can't
build a motor without a commutator. Disease is caused by "bad humours"
that must be drained out. The geological "theory of uniformity", sun
goes around the earth .... and on and on.

But the whole point here is NOT "wrong" theories, but a POLITICAL
effort to eliminate any and all open discussion of theories not
considered open to questioning by the establishment. Are we talking
about SCIENCE here or the "infallibility" of the pope?

* *2) Idiot.

(physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

(Empirical reality) - (free and open discussion of it) = religious
dogma

Moron.

Faith is destroyed if it works. *If you have faith you can only be
denied. *Test of faith! *What can be asserted without evidence can
also be dismissed without evidence.

Dear most ignorant uncle Al. We are NOT talking here about replacing
empirical evidence with faith! Come on admit it! Like all "debunkers"
you are arguing against the documentary and you haven't even seen it,
have you? We are talking about so-called "establishment science"
DEMANDING that various conclusions be accepted as "faith" while any
discussion of empiricism that creates doubt is systematically
suppressed by political means! Remind you of any organizations? Maybe
a little taste of the stake will give you a reminder!

Oddly enough uncle Al, it is YOU who is arguing FOR faith-based
science here and tis I (and Ben Stein) who are arguing for
empiricism!

Come on Al. I KNOW you are NOT this Stupid! Therefore this can only
mean you must have some kind of political agenda!
Fess up! You are really just one more closet leftist, right?

On Jun 19, 9:38*am, Benj wrote:
On Jun 18, 9:15*pm, Uncle Al wrote:

Benj wrote:
[snip 68 lines of crap]

Al, you forgot to mention "tinfoil hat"!

* *1) Name one empirical failure of physical science.

Physical science is FILLED with "empircal failures"! *And the problem
is not failure, but refusal to OPENLY DISCUSS those failures! The so-
called "theory of evolution" is FILLED with questions, but you high
priests do NOT permit any discussion of them. You bear false witness
by asserting that the theory is infallible. *Clearly this is some kind
of religious dogma and NOT a scientific attitude!

How many "empirical failures" of physical science have there been? How
much time do you have? *Heavier than air craft can't fly! You can't
build a motor without a commutator. Disease is caused by "bad humours"
that must be drained out. The geological "theory of uniformity", sun
goes around the earth .... and on and on.

Interesting. In order to support your contention that no discussion
of currently-orthodox scientific thories is permitted, you list
several theories that were formerly orthodox and were abandoned when
they were shown to be defective.