Plate tectonics was created to answer the data of seafloor spreading.
And as usual in science
the older theories that still pertain are installed as the new theory.
The old theory I speak of
is the lure of heat as the prime mover of continents and where we
retain the Conveyor Belt
of deep seeded Cells to move continents.

--- quoting Wikipedia on Plate Tectonic theory ---

Driving forces of plate motion

Tectonic plates are able to move because of the relative density of
oceanic lithosphere and
the relative weakness of the asthenosphere. Dissipation of heat from
the mantle is
acknowledged to be the original source of energy driving plate
tectonics. The current view,
although it is still a matter of some debate, is that excess density
of the oceanic lithosphere
sinking in subduction zones is the most powerful source of plate
motion. When it forms at
mid-ocean ridges, the oceanic lithosphere is initially less dense than
the underlying
asthenosphere, but it becomes more dense with age, as it conductively
cools and thickens.
The greater density of old lithosphere relative to the underlying
asthenosphere allows it to
sink into the deep mantle at subduction zones, providing most of the
driving force for plate
motions. The weakness of the asthenosphere allows the tectonic plates
to move easily
towards a subduction zone.[18] Although subduction is believed to be
the strongest force
driving plate motions, it cannot be the only force since there are
plates such as the North
American Plate which are moving, yet are nowhere being subducted. The
same is true for
the enormous Eurasian Plate. The sources of plate motion are a matter
of intensive
research and discussion among earth scientists.

Two and three-dimensional imaging of the Earth's interior (seismic
tomography) shows
that there is a laterally heterogeneous density distribution
throughout the mantle. Such
density variations can be material (from rock chemistry), mineral
(from variations in
mineral structures), or thermal (through thermal expansion and
contraction from heat
energy). The manifestation of this lateral density heterogeneity is
mantle convection from
buoyancy forces.[19] How mantle convection relates directly and
indirectly to the motion
of the plates is a matter of ongoing study and discussion in
geodynamics. Somehow, this
energy must be transferred to the lithosphere in order for tectonic
plates to move. There
are essentially two types of forces that are thought to influence
plate motion: friction and
gravity.

--- end quoting Wikipedia ---

I am going to point out the errors and flaws of the above in the next
post. Line for line,
most of the above is not true.

It does not surprize me that a mathematician has to point out to the
geology community
where their beloved Plate Tectonics with its subduction is riddled in
flaws and error and is
simply "pop science" and at best has only a tiny bit of truth.

(1) The major flaw that even a High Schooler would pick on is the
problem of when you
have solid materials such as the plates and the sublayers that the
plates float on, when
all these layers are solids, how in the world do you ever get a
lighter plate to submerge
under a more dense plate. Geologists who believe in Plate Tectonics
defy the laws
of physics with their subduction nonsense.

(2) If one were to run simulations of Plate Tectonics, they would
never end up with
the current situation of where the continents lie and where they are
moving. In other words
geography at present does not agree with Plate Tectonic theory.

(3) The conveyor belt of the interior of Earth composed of these
Convection Cells is
imaginative but not scientific. What is known is that the layers of
rocks in the crust
and mantle are solids, not liquid and not something inbetween liquid
and solid. The
layers of rocks in the mantle and crust are solid plates and thus this
idea of Convection
Cells and subduction were just hype imagination and not good science.

Anyone can tear down a theory, but the job is to replace it with
something better.

What I propose is that Continents Move, not because of the heat in the
interior of Earth, but
move because of the electricity and magnetism of Earth.

My very best model is a refrigerator top and because of the rattling
and shaking of the motor
when on creates vibrations in the top of the refrigerator. And if
there are pots resting on top
of the refrigerator by the end of the year they will have migrated to
the edge and then fallen
off if I do not catch the migration in time.

So I have a better theory to explain how the continents move and where
they move and
how fast they move and why they move. My theory should even be able to
predict where
the continents were in the past ages of geological time and where they
will be in billions
of years in the future.

Lightning bolts play a key role in my theory because we all know how
easy it is to move
an electric train resting on superconductor magnets. The continents
are rigid plates and
the plates that the continents rest on are also rigid. Now if there is
a electric charge difference
between those plates, the continents can act as if they are
superconductor trains.
But the prime mover in this new theory of Electric Motor Vibrations is
the idea that when
you have a motor, you have vibrations. So the key idea in this new
theory is that
Earth core is a Electric Motor or Dynamo which creates vibrations in
the mantle and crust
and these vibrations end up moving the continents.

The analogy of Earth of its Continental Drift is the same thing as the
pots resting atop
my refrigerator and the vibrations when the motor is running moves
those pots or moves
the Continents.

The laughable part of the geologists who believed in Plate Tectonics
and still believe in
it is the silly idea that you can have less dense layers sinking down
into denser layers.
In physics you would be laughed out of town. But since geology is one
of the most
snail's pace conservative of sciences-- witness that it took Wegener
nearly 1/2 a century
to become accepted -- that the science of geology is in the dark ages.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

On 14 avr, 08:07, wrote:


Continents do not move at all, but the world wide imbrication of such
noted by Wegener is correct.
.... and so are correct your other comments which I have reposted
below.

The causes & reasons for present Relief are elsewhere than you seek.
You enter by the wrong door in the labyrinth, and everything has to be
done over from start.

jpturcaud

QUOTE

(1) The major flaw that even a High Schooler would pick on is the
problem of when you
have solid materials such as the plates and the sublayers that the
plates float on, when
all these layers are solids, how in the world do you ever get a
lighter plate to submerge
under a more dense plate. Geologists who believe in Plate Tectonics
defy the laws
of physics with their subduction nonsense.


(2) If one were to run simulations of Plate Tectonics, they would
never end up with
the current situation of where the continents lie and where they are
moving. In other words
geography at present does not agree with Plate Tectonic theory.


(3) The conveyor belt of the interior of Earth composed of these
Convection Cells is
imaginative but not scientific. What is known is that the layers of
rocks in the crust
and mantle are solids, not liquid and not something inbetween liquid
and solid. The
layers of rocks in the mantle and crust are solid plates and thus
this
idea of Convection
Cells and subduction were just hype imagination and not good science.


ENDQUOTE

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

As promised I said I was going to point out the errors line for line.
I do not think Wikipedia minds if I tear their theory prattle apart
and
since it is a cobbled together anyway.

So in the below I point out the errors.

--- quoting Wikipedia on Plate Tectonic theory ---

Driving forces of plate motion

Tectonic plates are able to move because of the relative density of
oceanic lithosphere and
the relative weakness of the asthenosphere.

That is a contradiction of physics. The continent plates are less
dense than
the ocean plates and they in turn are less dense than the plates which
they
rest upon. So there is no movement from nested plates of density.

And the weakness of asthenosphere is ad hoc. What weakness and how
does a weakness translate into motion.

Dissipation of heat from
the mantle is
acknowledged to be the original source of energy driving plate
tectonics.

If the mantle were a liquid or a gas, then dissipation of heat can be
seen as that of boiling in liquid or that of vortex flow in gas such
as
tornado or hurricane. Vortex flow also in liquid. But in solid layers
we cannot have a physics of motion from heat in the mantle.

What we can have is the idea that the cores of Earth form a
dynamo or electric motor and which causes vibrations in the solid
layers above the core. And these vibrations translate into a forward
motion of continental plates.


The current view,
although it is still a matter of some debate, is that excess density
of the oceanic lithosphere
sinking in subduction zones is the most powerful source of plate
motion.

Again a contradiction and defiance of laws of physics. How in the
world
should anyone believe that a lighter object is going to submerge
subduct
under a denser object? Considering that all these layers are solid
rock layers.
And even if a layer was liquid, because it is denser you cannot have
subduction.

When it forms at
mid-ocean ridges, the oceanic lithosphere is initially less dense than
the underlying
asthenosphere, but it becomes more dense with age, as it conductively
cools and thickens.

This is not true, because both are solids and when the lithosphere
solid
cools it does not become more dense then the asthenosphere solid. And
the temperature gradient of cooling versus the asthenosphere is not
enough
of a difference in range of temperature to make any difference.

The greater density of old lithosphere relative to the underlying
asthenosphere allows it to
sink into the deep mantle at subduction zones, providing most of the
driving force for plate
motions.

There is not enough temperature gradient to provide such a chain of
events.

The weakness of the asthenosphere allows the tectonic plates
to move easily
towards a subduction zone.[18] Although subduction is believed to be
the strongest force
driving plate motions, it cannot be the only force since there are
plates such as the North
American Plate which are moving, yet are nowhere being subducted. The
same is true for
the enormous Eurasian Plate. The sources of plate motion are a matter
of intensive
research and discussion among earth scientists.

Obviously the Wikipedia authors have voiced alot of doubt and shown
some
gaps in the theory.

The Motor Vibrations theory easily answers the American and Eurasian
Plate.




Two and three-dimensional imaging of the Earth's interior (seismic
tomography) shows
that there is a laterally heterogeneous density distribution
throughout the mantle. Such
density variations can be material (from rock chemistry), mineral
(from variations in
mineral structures), or thermal (through thermal expansion and
contraction from heat
energy). The manifestation of this lateral density heterogeneity is
mantle convection from
buoyancy forces.[19]

The huge trouble with Convection Cells is that the movement of
continents
would be mostly helter skelter following Cells. Whereas geography
shows
our current situation where almost all the continents are moving in a
single direction and where most of the continental mass is
concentrated in
the Northern Hemisphere. If individual Convection Cells is the mover
of
continents, we should not have a en masse migration of nearly all the
continents
to the Northern Hemisphere.

Likewise, on my refrigerator top with the motor vibrations, all the
pots seem to
head off in one direction NorthWest.


How mantle convection relates directly and
indirectly to the motion
of the plates is a matter of ongoing study and discussion in
geodynamics. Somehow, this
energy must be transferred to the lithosphere in order for tectonic
plates to move. There
are essentially two types of forces that are thought to influence
plate motion: friction and
gravity.

--- end quoting Wikipedia ---


In 2007, I calculated that simply the yearly lightning bolt energy
that
enters the continents is ample sufficient to be the energy that moves
the continents.

But I am not saying lightning bolt energy moves continents but rather
lubricates the motion of continents by setting up the continents as a
superconductor train magnets set up the train.

I am saying that because the core of Earth acts as a Electric Motor,
that
the core causes vibrations to the mantle and crust layer rocks. Those
vibrations are far stronger than any heat convection currents for en
masse
movement of the continent plates.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

On 14 avr, 08:48, wrote:

obviously you do not read answers to your posts.

Why not start with more basic answers to such things as
Glaciations ... Erosion of Granitoids by water .... Genesis of Water
instead of the circular referencing Vitellius cycle ....

If you want to discuss Geology, you should as well be aware of a very
small & of course completely un-important aspect of it ... still it is
called Mapping .... have you done any ?

jpturcaud

wrote:
On 14 avr, 08:48, wrote:

obviously you do not read answers to your posts.

Why not start with more basic answers to such things as
Glaciations ... Erosion of Granitoids by water .... Genesis of Water
instead of the circular referencing Vitellius cycle ....

If you want to discuss Geology, you should as well be aware of a very
small & of course completely un-important aspect of it ... still it is
called Mapping .... have you done any ?

jpturcaud

You do not know enough physics to be in this conversation. And you
are
logically inept. You would be suitable to discuss history of geology,
but
physics is out of your league.

Having a look at the status of information on several planets such as
Mars, Venus and Jupiter.

So if my theory of Motor vibrations is true then a planet that has a
Motor Dynamo, should have
active plate tectonics. Now Jupiter has an active Motor Dynamo, but
can we say it has
plates to move on its surface? Well it does have metallic hydrogen and
helium. Can the red spot
of Jupiter be a Continental Plate as a metallic hydrogen-helium plate?
Perhaps I am stretching
it.

Mars and Venus have signs of past plate tectonics. Neither one of
these planets has an
active dynamo motor in its core.

But if the Plate Tectonic theory with its subduction zones and
convection cells is true:

(by the way here is a good picture of convection cells)--
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/unanswered.html

If that Convection Cell is true then both Mars and Venus should be
active plate tectonics
because their mantles should be the hot viscuous type of plastic rock
as in convection
cells.

So, here, the planets favor my theory.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:


(from a quote from Wikipedia on Plate Tectonics)
When it forms at
mid-ocean ridges, the oceanic lithosphere is initially less dense than
the underlying
asthenosphere, but it becomes more dense with age, as it conductively
cools and thickens.

This is not true, because both are solids and when the lithosphere
solid
cools it does not become more dense then the asthenosphere solid. And
the temperature gradient of cooling versus the asthenosphere is not
enough
of a difference in range of temperature to make any difference.


It is statements such as the above that give geologists a bad name.
Bad name
in making things up and never really testing them to see if true.

Here is a easy experiment to verify if the above is true or false. We
devise a
punch made of asthenosphere rock and we heat it to the temperature at
the
layer of rock. We devise another punch of the lithosphere rock at the
cooled temperature. The reason we make them into "punches" is that we
mechanically will punch both into one another once we have the punches
at the specified temperatures. The punching of them together will
mimic
the pressure of the rocks at that depth in crust.

So, has any geologist performed the above in order to warrant the
statement?
I doubt it, for I suspect there never was a testing of that statement
but offered
as a opinion with never any testing.

So it is easy to perform that experiment and I suspect the outcome is
that
the lithosphere punch will not penetrate into the asthenosphere punch
but will
be shattered or broken because the asthenosphere punch retains its
superior
density.

I suspect the major reason that geologist went heywire with a fuddy
duddy theory
of plate tectonics is that they spent a career in geology of much time
spent on
volcanoes and vulcanism that they were easily duped into thinking that
the mantle
of Earth is broken down into these Convection Cells. But if anyone
could take a
tour ride of a bus that drives down into the mantle of Earth, what
they would see
and feel as they inspected the layers are simply solid layers of
rocks. Rocks that
become warmer the deeper the descent, but nothing like the geology
books paint
of a almost liquid hot lava like layers.

So do the above experiment of two punches and see if the lithosphere
punch can ever
win a punch test.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

On 14 avr, 09:26, wrote:
wrote:
On 14 avr, 08:48, wrote:

obviously you do not read answers to your posts.

Why not start with more basic answers to such things as
Glaciations ... *Erosion of Granitoids by water .... Genesis of Water
instead of the circular referencing Vitellius cycle ....

If you want to discuss Geology, *you should as well be aware of a very
small & of course completely un-important aspect of it ... still it is
called Mapping .... have you done any ?

jpturcaud

You do not know enough physics to be in this conversation. And you
are
logically inept. You would be suitable to discuss history of geology,
but
physics is out of your league.

I do not think you have any authority in matter of either of Geology
or Physics, beyond the one granted to you at your local Fish & Chips
restaurant !

Further I believe you are a supporter of the Accretion Theory, and
this definitively put you out of race of understanding our Earth
History !

Good bye. jpturcaud

There is a very simple and deciding experiment or observation that
points to the correct theory
of Continental Drift. We have two competing theories:

1) heat in the mantle creates Convection Cells and a Conveyor Belt of
motion that picks up and
drives the Crust continent plates, and this is the common bandied
about Plate Tectonic theory

2) Motor Dynamo theory says that the mantle and crust are solids and
the motion of the
continents is due to the Vibration caused by the Earth's core acting
as a dynamo motor,
much like the pots and pans on top of a refrigerator are vibrated to
the edge and fall off.
There is also a component of Lightning bolt strikes that enter Earth
and create a
lift affect on continent plates such as the lift of the superconductor
trains in Japan.

Now the easy and deciding experiment or observations is to simply find
out whether
the plates on Earth have vibration motion or have conveyor belt
motion.

When a pot is placed on a conveyor belt it moves only in the direction
the belt moves.
If a pot is placed on a top of a refrigerator it has a NET Directional
Motion where the
overall direction is in one direction but it has sideways and even
backward motion, so
that in one instant the pot is moving south but in the next instant
the pot is moving
180 degrees opposite of north.

So if the Vibration theory is true and the Conveyor belt theory is
false then we should
observe this all directions motion with a Net Direction. But if the
Conveyor Belt theory
is true then we should see motion clearly in unidirection.

Now I had a search for observations of plates and it appears as though
plates have a
Vibrational Character to their overall motion.

Homegrown Experiment: I did the following experiment last night. I got
a piece of clear
flat fiberglass and placed 8 rectangular strips of plastic from the
cover of disposable razor
blades that I save for experiment use. These strips are mimics of
continent plates and
I arranged them on the fiberglass board and placed on top of a
electric shaver for the vibration
effect. And I watched the plastic strips. I was hoping that they would
all move in a north
direction, but that did not happen. What did happen was that they
separated and then they
did what I described above where they would move north sometimes and
then south the
other times so they changed back and forth their directions.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

---quoting Wikipedia in several parts on Plate Tectonics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics

The key principle of plate tectonics is that the lithosphere exists as
separate and distinct
tectonic plates, which ride on the fluid-like (visco-elastic solid)
asthenosphere. Plate
motions range up to a typical 10-40 mm yr-1 (Mid-Atlantic Ridge; about
as fast as fingernails
grow), to about 160 mm yr-1 (Nazca Plate; about as fast as hair grows).
[14][15]


Although subduction is believed to be the strongest force driving
plate motions, it cannot
be the only force since there are plates such as the North American
Plate which are
moving, yet are nowhere being subducted. The same is true for the
enormous Eurasian
Plate. The sources of plate motion are a matter of intensive research
and discussion
among earth scientists.


Following the recognition of magnetic anomalies defined by symmetric,
parallel stripes
of similar magnetization on the seafloor on either side of a mid-ocean
ridge, plate
tectonics quickly became broadly accepted. Simultaneous advances in
early seismic
imaging techniques in and around Wadati-Benioff zones collectively
with numerous
other geologic observations soon solidified plate tectonics as a
theory with extraordinary
explanatory and predictive power.
--- end quoting Wikipedia

That is false that the Asthenosphere layers are visco-elastic. They
maybe visco-elastic
very deep down near the boundary of the core to mantle but they are
not visco-elastic
at the interface of the mantle with crust. This is imagination on the
part of geologists of
the past and they have never demonstrated on materials in laboratories
to back up their
claim of visco-elastic. From the evidence of seismographs, the layers
of rock involved with
the continents and the rocks which the continents rest upon are solid
rock layers with no
evidence of visco-elastic, other than some volcanoes. So it is high
time that geologists
stop making up this imaginative description of visco-elastic.

Second above the North American and Eurasian plates have no subduction
zones. And
Eurasian plate is the largest plate if not mistaken. Here is where the
Vibration theory
easily steps in and answers the problem. There is no subduction of
plates anywhere on
Earth because less dense never sinks down into more dense rocks. What
moves
North America and Eurasian plates is the Vibrations of the core of
Earth acting as a
dynamo motor. The reason that most continents are in the Northern
Hemisphere and the
Pacific Ocean takes the volume of most of the Southern Hemisphere is
because the
Net overall Vibrations end up amassing the continents near the North
Pole.

Why is the North Pole the congregational spot for continents and not
the South Pole?
I suspect it has to do with the internal nature of the inner core of
liquid iron Earth. That
the dynamo favors the South Pole more than the North Pole with regards
to
intensity of vibrations. So that the continents in the southern
hemisphere are shaken and
rattled and rolled more intensely in the southern hemisphere and the
only spot on Earth
where there is relief from all the intense shaking and rattling from
the dynamo is the
North Pole Region. And most of the Shields of continents-- the oldest
rocks of continents
are concentrated in the North Pole region such as the Canadian Shield.

Now the 3rd paragraph above in Wikipedia talks to the notion of
magnetism playing a huge
role in Continental Drift. So that passage is in agreement with
Vibration theory more than
it supports heat Plate tectonics. I would not be surprized to find an
experiment of vibration
by a motor that causes a mimicking of sea floor rift and then sea
floor spreading. So that
sea floor spreading was not caused by Conveyor Belt heat energy but
that sea floor rift
and sea floor spreading is where the Vibration Motion of the Earth
dynamo ruptured the
ocean basins and was vibration in opposite directions.

Much like my homegrown experiment of plastic strips on a fiberglass
board vibrated by
a electric shaver. When the strips are placed together, they vibrate
apart and drift apart.

So we can reexamine the sea floor rifts and ask ourselves, is their
pattern due to Conveyor
Belt heat Cells or is their pattern caused by intense Vibrations from
the center of Earth
acting as a dynamo motor?

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies