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Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?



 
 
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Old March 12th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
mongobonix
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Gerard Westendorp
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

mongobonix wrote:

A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"



No. As pressure approaches vacuum, pumps start pumping
less and less molecules per second. It takes a very
long time to pump a good vacuum, as people doing
high vacuum experiments will testify. At zero pressure,
a vacuum cleaner will just be a rotating disk that does
no pumping.


Gerard

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Igor Khavkine
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:08:21 +0000, mongobonix wrote:

A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in. So does anyone
know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"


No. A vacuum cleaner works by sucking in air. It is the air that drags
dirt particles with it. In vacuum, no air is present, hence this principle
cannot work.

Igor

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Jesse Nochella
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

Fair question.

It does not. If you were on the back end of a fan in space you would
not get pulled towards just as you would not get a breeze if you were
in front of it.

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Martin Hogbin
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

"mongobonix" wrote in message om...
A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"



No, it needs air to work.

Martin Hogbin

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

mongobonix wrote:
A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"



Only inside a dirty vacuum!

That is, only when there is a little gas floating around to move the
dirt with. It's the pressure of this gas that makes the vacuum cleaner
work, not the "creation of a vacuum."

Doug

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Paul Danaher
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

mongobonix wrote:
A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"


(What's a vacuum cleaner? Does a diffusion pump qualify?) I can blow a
balloon away very easily with a puff of air from several feet. I can't
suck a balloon towards me - unless it's close to my mouth. What changes
to make this possible at close range? Boundary conditions?

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
Dirk Van de moortel
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

"mongobonix" wrote in message om...
A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"


If the vacuum is sufficiently dirty, the cleaner will work just fine.

Dirk Vdm

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Old March 14th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
David Winsemius
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Default Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?

mongobonix wrote in om:

A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
So does anyone know...
"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"


See if you can answer a related question:
What is the sound of a fan operating in a vacuum?

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Old March 15th 05 posted to sci.physics.research
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mongobonix wrote:

A colleague asked me this and now it's doing my head in.
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"Does a Vacuum Cleaner work inside a Vacuum?"


No. What would create the mass flow that entraps particulates? It's
not much of a problem, though, for people don't live in local vacua
unless they are encapsulated. The problem then is not harvesting
pariculates, it is changing diapers.

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