On Feb 12, 5:06 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
Dear Seven Seas Oscirius:

"Seven Seas Oscirius" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

The lunatics that run the relativity asylum cannot
deny that, in the eigenzeit of any relatively-stationary
observer outside an imploding star, the star's
material *never* actually forms an event horizon,

Actually no. The material is never *seen to cross* an event
horizon.

In those observers' eigenzeit, a black hole **never** forms.

Hm, is *this* what they mean by "Till Hell freezes over"?!

let alone retreating within it. Yet they still try to
eat their cake and have it ...

See

Might be hard to if the light's out.