"CFran" wrote in message oups.com...
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| Androcles wrote:
| "CFran" wrote in message oups.com...
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| | Androcles wrote:
| | "CFran" wrote in message ups.com...
| | | If I got it right, the faster you go, the slower time goes for you.
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| | You got it wrong.
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| | | But there's something that seems weird to me, if this is true (I don't
| | | doubt it is),
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| | I would if I were you, it is nonsense.
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| | Does it mean that according to you there's no such thing as time
| | dilation?
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| Correct, and according to Newton also.
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| I wish it was true. Who knows, maybe it is... but right now I kinda
| doubt it.
Either follow cold hard mathematical logic or be taken in by
a hoax. Your choice. Few around here know v = dx/dt.
Here's Einstein's paper:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
His opening paragraph is a discussion of Galilean Relativity.
where he uses an example. His second paragraph refers to
the example and calls he example the "Principle of Relativity".
Idiots that cannot read, do not know what a subject and a
predicate are, do not know what a modifier is, will tell you
different. They think the PoR is the modifier.
In the seventh paragraph of section I, after he's bored you to tears
with his own ideas of time, he gives a royal proclamation,
a papal bull, "we establish by definition that the ``time'' required
by light to travel from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel
from B to A. "
Pure nonsense. Idiocy. The time dilation you imagine to be true
is nothing more than Einstein stomping his foot and saying "Dammit,
it is because I say so!"
Then he has the temerity to claim 4 paragrapshs further:
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t'A-tA) = c."
A-----------------------(distance x)------------------------B
Light leaves A, travels x, reflects, travels -x back to A.
(x+ (-x))/(t'a-tA) = 0.
Einstein the huckster playing games with speed and velocity.
WE have NO experience of 2AB being AB + BA.
It's a con. A hoax.
Why does he have to say "In agreement with experience"?
To persuade, of course. No other reason for it.
Would you like to buy this car? Only used by a little old lady
to go to church on Sundays. Hymn book still on the back seat.
No need to kick the tires, I checked 'em myself. That oily
black smoke from the exhaust? You won't see that when you
drive it, trust me. I'm a regular mosque-goer myself. Know the
rabbi, he's been appointed by the Pope.
No no, I'd never sell you a car without checking it over myself,
you don't need to worry. Would you like to buy an extended
warranty to put your mind at rest?
What Einstein is NOT telling you at this stage is that if A moves toward
B, A's clock will slow down to allow for more time for the light
to get back to A. That comes later. If you want to get into the math we
can do that, I don't mind.
The equation
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v)),
is a con. The ½ is derived from above and is tantamount to saying
(1/3 + 2/3)/2 = 1/3.
| Newton was the greatest
| physicist ever. There is no such thing as time dilation.
| "1. Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself and from its own nature, flows equably without relation to anything external, and by another name is called "duration"; relative, apparent, and common time is some sensible and external (whether accurate or unequable) measure of duration by the means of motion, which is commonly used instead of true time, such as an hour, a day, a month, a year. "
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| --Sir Isaac Newton.
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| | then there must be a referential, I mean, there must be a
| | | certain speed and direction in the universe which makes time go the
| | | fastest, in other words, "if you go faster time goes slower for you",
| | | faster compared to what?
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| | Eggsactly.
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| | | Is there something like a speed zero, where time goes the fastest?
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| | I'm travelling at speed zero right now.
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| | | Because, as I understand it, it seems that if you throw a whole lots of
| | | probes in various directions and at various speeds, there will be one
| | | that will have it's clock running faster than the others, and it will
| | | be the one going the slowest (compared to a referential, well I guess).
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| | You don't understand it. It's hoax, I'll explain it.
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| | The most recent accusations of forgery made against Ptolemy came from Newton in [12]. He begins this book by stating clearly his views:-
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| | This is the story of a scientific crime. ... I mean a crime committed by a scientist against fellow scientists and scholars, a betrayal of the ethics and integrity of his profession that has forever deprived mankind of fundamental information about an important area of astronomy and history.
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| | Towards the end Newton, having claimed to prove every observation claimed by Ptolemy in the Almagest was fabricated, writes [12]:-
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| | [Ptolemy] developed certain astronomical theories and discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, he deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories. In every scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice is called fraud, and it is a crime against science and scholarship.
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http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Ptolemy.html
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| | The most recent accusations of forgery made against Einstein came from Androcles right now. He begins this accusation by stating clearly his views:-
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| | This is the story of a scientific crime. ... I mean a crime committed by a scientist against fellow scientists and scholars, a betrayal of the ethics and integrity of his profession that has forever deprived mankind of fundamental information about an important area of astronomy and history.
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| | Towards the end Androcles, having claimed to prove every observation claimed by Einstein in the theory of relativity was fabricated, writes:-
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| | Einstein developed certain physical theories and discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, he deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories. In every scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice is called fraud, and it is a crime against science and scholarship.
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| | | Same for the speed limit in the universe, nothing can go faster than c,
| | | ok, but, compared to what referential?
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| | Not ok. Nonsense.
| | Cosmic muons originating in the upper atsmosphere 100 Km have a
| | life span of 2.2 usec athreach sea level. Therefore their speed is 15c.
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| | wow, are you sure about that???
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| Very sure.
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| I mean, where you got that information from?
Experiment. The actual value doesn't matter, but it IS the value relativists use.
| v = 100km/2.2microseconds = 4,545,454,545,454 meters/second ~= 15c.
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| | I'd like to know what other people out
| | here think about that claim.
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| These morons are too stupid to calculate v = x/t.
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| They'll prattle on about the muon living longer in its own frame of reference. It doesn't matter if it does, it will have further to go in its own frame of reference.
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| sqrt(-1) = i,
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| xi = (100km)/sqrt(1-15^2/1^2) = i6.6815310478106096171138370219938 imaginary meters
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| | Idiots accepted certain physical theories and discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, they deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the validity of the theories.
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| | ok but, well in case you're trying to say that time dilation is
| | bull****, well, it's been verified with the GPS system,
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| Nonsense.
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| | I mean, the GPS
| | system corrects its timing according to that time dilation thing,
| | doesn't it?
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| Nope. Satellites in orbit are constantly perturbed by the Moon and do not know exaclty where they are. Ground stations upload their position and time to them. To see the perturbations, look at
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http://www.ifmo.ru/butikov/Projects/Collection1.html
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| Nice applet thing. However, it seems the GPS really corrects it's time
| according to einstein's theories (or at least officialy) ;-)
The US Navy would prefer you believe that, just as the CIA would
prefer you believe in flying saucers. Make it too accurate and use it
to guide your missile through the Oval office window would not look
good. I'm sure they'd prefer your missile hit the reflecting pool, so
you can be pretty sure anything moving fast near a sensitive site
will get a bum steer. 'Course on 9-11 low tech Kamikazi pilots
beat the system, but they didn't expect that when GPS was launched.
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| | I mean, no matter what Einstein could have fabricated, his
| | theories still predict things that actually happen... I don't see how
| | this whole thing could be an hoax..
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| "Thence we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must go more slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock situated at one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions." -- Albert Huckster Einstein.
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| Ref:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
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| You've never been shown the truth before. Sorry about that, but that's the way it is. This is the oldest working clock in the world, it has not gained or lost a picosecond in 3,500 years:
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| A picosecond, I wouldn't bet on it, considered that the length of a day
| on earth was about 21 hours a few hundred million years ago...
Ok, so there were more days in a year a few hundred million years ago.
Are you claiming time slows down because the Earth spins slower?
| I'm not
| sure to see what it can have to do with time dilatation anyways. btw,
| didn't Gravity Probe A prove time dilatation?
No.
| Merc | Venus |Earth |Solar | Pulsar| Wheel |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
| |88/ |88/ | 88 / | 88/ | 88/ |
Mercury | 1 | 225 | 365 | 1 | N | M |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
| 225/ | | 225/ | 225/ |225/ | 225/ |
Venus | 88 | 1 | 365 | 1 | N | M |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
| 365/ | 365/ | | 365/ | 365/ | 365/ |
Earth year| 88 | 225 | 1 | 1 | N | M |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
| 1/ | 1/ | 1/ | | 1/ | 1/ |
Solar day| 88 | 225 | 365| 1 | N | M |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
Distant | N/ | N/ | N/ | N/ | | N/ |
Pulsar | 88 | 225 | 365| 1 | 1 | M |
|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
| M/ | M/ | M/ | M/ | M/ | |
Balance | 88 | 225 | 365| 1 | N | 1 |
wheel |_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|________|
Each entry in the table is a ratio of counts between oscillators.
Change one oscillator, you change all its row and colum entries.
The remainder are unaffected. Time is universal.
You asked "please explain things simply, you all know how hard it can be to
understand/admitt all those weird relativity things, thanks."
I've done that. The weirdest thing about relativity is that fools believe it.
That's as weird as Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. They are not difficult
to understand, they are a con too.
Didn't Gravity Probe B locate Santa's Grotto at the North Pole?
Androcles.
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http://witcombe.sbc.edu/earthmysteries/EMStonehenge.jpg
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| A precisely similar clock at the pole doesn't gain or loose either.
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| Maybe you think a sundial at the south pole can gain over a sundial at the equator, but I'm not that gullible. Mr. Nice Guy doesn't fool me.
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| Androcles.
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| | | I mean, if you throw a whole lot
| | | of probes at the same time from one unique moving point in any
| | | direction at speed c (or close), where will be the middle between all
| | | these probes. If you are going at half of c (once again, compared to
| | | what, yeah i'm very confused with that) and throw a rocket that can get
| | | near c in the direction you're going, and another one like this in the
| | | opposite direction, the middle between those two rockets wont be you,
| | | or one rocket would go at 1.5 c.
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| | Of course. Einstein was a fraud.
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| | | And please explain things simply, you all know how hard it can be to
| | | understand/admitt all those weird relativity things, thanks.
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| | Oh, its as simple as it can be. In order to be a successful confidence
| | trickster you have to have the appearance of being Mr. Nice Guy.
| | The greatest genius of all time pulled off the greatest hoax of all time,
| | and it does take genius to fool most of the people all of the time.
| | Even if you point it out to them, they'll be too embarrassed to admit
| | they were duped. But duped they are.
| | Look at Michelson pointing the finger and grinning at the scruffy
| | con-artist without the detachable collar who is too embarrassed
| | to face the camera.
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http://www.oisc.net/scientist.jpg
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| | Androcles.
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