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Uncle Al wrote in message
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abracad wrote:

The so-called anthropic principle points out how finely tuned the
universe is to support life.


Life is finely tuned to exist in the universe. There is no anthropic
principle.

Uncle Al's got it. What universe is this anthropic principle looking
at? The one which is 80-something percent composed of "dark matter"
and "dark energy" which is finely tuned to be completely
ununderstandable and imperceptible to us (except as necessary to
balance our ambitious equations -- more of a 'precise throwing up the
hands in defeat' than an intellect-friendly universe), plus being
99.astronomicalnumbersofnines percent unsupportable of our living
bodies? We're hiding in a 'corner', a sweet tit of a gravity well
which is by nature temporary and by the relative scales under
discussion UNBELEIVABLY BRIEF! I think this anthropic principle is
more of a vague 'final cause' thing to suppose that because we exist,
there must be some special place for us in the heart of the universe,
it must have planned to 'have' us all along. Just so happens I agree
with that........ doesn't mean, however, that part of our 'special
place' isn't to be wiped out suddenly with no chance to compose our
swan song and beam it into space to be inevitably received by some
intelligence who can appreciate it. We can't imagine an end or
beginning to our collective existence so it has to stretch to the
beginning and end of the universe to keep us from screaming. Fine,
build that, but keep in mind that it's a will-to-power...... that's an
IDEAL we'd like to CREATE...... and we CAN create it, but not by
pretending that's the way it....... IS, without us........ MAKING it.
The Stark Fist of Removal is ready at any time to cancel our show, and
if we don't have an exit strategy we can kiss our
eventually-'always-already'-anthropic-universe dreams goodbye.


As I see it there is a detailed record that tells anyone
that wishes to take a look that from time to time
fecies occurs on this little ball.. Volcanoes erupt,
rocks fall from the sky, sun burps yada yada yada ....
And a new environ is created and if conditions allow
new form of life develop.. From a human perspective
there is only one way to maintain human evolution,
however modified, forever. Find a way to get off
this ball..... Sooner or later what has happened before
will happen again and there is only so much technology
can do to mediate the inevitable...

This place we call home is a tiny fraction of one
tick of the cosmological clock... We are a little
mold covering a chemical soup on a non-descript
ball spinning about a un-impressive star on
the far edge of a common place galaxy....

But the mind of man wishes for grandiose vistas,
To find reason in why he's here at this place and
time.. Well I'm here to answer that .....

Fecies Occurs..... And it could occur in
a billion places and life in variations we would
not recognize as life can form in a blink of a cosmic
eye and be over and gone in the same flash... Only
when any life finds a way to spread their genetic
signature across vast distances will it survive longer
than a cosmic second.....


Paul R. Mays
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