Thread: GUT in a Rut
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Old April 26th 04 posted to sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Bilge
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Default GUT in a Rut

Greysky:
For over a decade now, theorists have been attempting to formulate a "Grand
Unification Theory" which if successful, will be able to unify Quantum
Mechanics and Relativity, show equations relating reality to space, time
and gravity. It should even be able to provide an explanation for where all
your missing socks went off to. But, this is never going to hapen.


Based upon a lack of success in a decade? It took a few millenia before
newtonian gravity gravity was proposed by newton, despite the fact that
people surely realized that objects universally fell down, never up.
It took about 50-60 years to explain two forces that weren't even
discovered until the twentieth century and create a theory that included
electromagnetism, which wasn't explained until 150 years ago.

Modern GUT theorists are basing their work on a false premise,


Which is what, exactly?

and with such an
unstable foundation, all work from then on will be invalid. I believe this
has been going on for so long now, that there is no way for recovery to
occure - the dream of grand unification must be disgarded as a badly
orchestrated pipe dream. Modern unification efforts are based on Topos
theory - a methodology of exclusion.


Meaning what, exactly?

There is never thinking 'outside the box' because 'outside' doesn't
exist.


From what I know of topos theory, topos theory _is_ thinking outside
the box, about as far outside as you can get, so in a sense, your statement
might be considered a tautology.

This false logic presupposes that
something must be right if more than one observer arrives at the same
conclusion by means other than what you yourself have used.


Huh?

I have arrived at the conclusion that all lawers are liars because
of what happened in my divorce.


As if the parties in a divorce were completely objective. Puhleeeze.
If you and your ex were objective, your attornys would have had nothing
to argue about.

My neighbor down the block has also arrived at the same conclusion,
because of what he has observed in his murder trial.


Crooked attorneys exist. So do crooked physicians, dishonest bankers
and kooks on usenet.

So, it must be true, that 'all lawers are liars'.... this is absurd.


Given the huge sample space of 2 in your survey, I'm completely
sold. After all, ``data'' is the plural of ``anecdote''.

All it takes to invalidate
this conclusion is one observer 'outside the box, er, neighborhood to arrive
at the conclusion that all lawers are noble creatures because of what he has
observed during a court battle for abortion rights to negate all the
thinking my neighbor and I have done for the past several years.


Another possibility is that your neighborhood is the problem.

Although a 'GUT theorist' may never publicly admit it, the cannot believe in
anything they can't observe. The can't believe in Many Worlds, or Quantum
Computing (both for the same reason). They can't believe their wives are
cheating on them because they haven't observed it. Uh Huh.... Grand
Unification will never be disovered, not because it doesn't exist. No, it
will never be discovered because the people who are trying to find the
answers are so damn boring, and utterly lacking completely in imagination.


Well, I have to admit that doing science involves a lot of less-than-
exciting activities like having to support one's claims with something
other than its value for a potential star trek episode or performing
experiements for which hunting down sources of error takes 10 times as
long and requires 10 times the effort than the actual experiment. For some
reason, you just can't sit around pontificating how great it would be if
something were true and then expect someone else to do all the work while
you chastise them for lack of imagination when they tell you it isn't
true and experiments prove it isn't true.


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