Physics Banter - View Single Post - I Propose that Religious Relativists Worship a New Axiom of General Relativity

**Gregory L. Hansen**

(Perfectly Innocent) wrote in message . com...
I propose that all religious relativists should worship a new axiom of
general relativity.

Instead of the praise and adoration given the non-science of
relative
simultaneity in a universe with a presumed (S^3)xR topology, I think

That's not an axiom of the theory, it's a conclusion.

that scientists should start worshipping the more reasonable
possibility of an absolute time order, based on the trivial physics of
SxR.

If the unanimous belief of professionally trained relativists like Dr.
Tom Roberts is correct, then the assumed non-existence of an absolute
time order on SxR, (S^2)xR and (S^3)xR isn't provable, it isn't math
or physics; it's just semantics. If that is true, then we could just
as easily replace non-order with order.

What do you all think of my proposal of adopting the new axiom?

I think you didn't do your homework. Time-like separated events do
have a definite order. In particular, if two things happen at the
same place, like a traffic light that turns red and then green, no
reference frame will change the order. More generally, relativity of
simultaneity for spacelike separated events is a prediction of the
Lorentz transformations, which at the very least are math, not
semantics, and required by the postulates of special relativity. But
the experimental validation of relativity means you can't just change
postulates willy-nilly to make up new non-relativistic theories with
different predictions and expect it to still match experiment. Even
aether theories still wind up with the Lorentz transformations.
Galilean concepts like a universal time ordering weren't just
abandoned because scientists got bored with it. Maybe a good theory
with a universal time ordering can be made, but that is something to
be demonstrated. And after you've made whatever other adjustments are
needed to still match experiment, you might be left with a theory that
not even you like very much.