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Old February 10th 06 posted to sci.physics
Greg Neill
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Default Speed gedanken time (repaired) time dilation 099

"Spaceman" wrote in message
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"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" wrote in message
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| Greg,
| you sure are one great twister.
| If you don't know the difference between physical
| and abstract, there is nothing I can say to you
| to show you such difference.
|
| Translation: You cannot answer.

Not at all,
I simply can not teach those that refuse to learn.


Translation: I cannot answer so I make up an excuse.


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| You can not even grasp time as an abstract measurement,
| you actualyl think it is a physical measurement.
|
| It's no different than any other measurement. You
| take a standard and count the number of standard
| units that go into whatever it is that you are
| measuring.

It is different,
and in your silly world, you have variable standard units
anyway so don't even really have standards anymore.


The standard units are fixed in every frame of reference.
Furthermore, the units are identical in all frames when
appropriate (Lorentz) frame transforms are applied.
So your reasoning is specious. Again.


LOL


| How would a clock's measurement of time differ from,
| say, a pressure guage's measurement of pressure?

Both are abstract measurements so it does not matter.
The only true physical measurement is distance.
all other measurements are abstracted using distance and
some other type of (abstract) measurement system.
Of course, you would know this if you had a clue
what physical reality is at all.


Then why are you prattling on about the science of
measurement if the only thing you can measure is
distance? If by your own personal definition no other
measurements are real measurements, why on Earth would
you take exception to the fact that science chooses
a viable procedure for measuring them that agrees with
empirical observation?

By your own definition you can't even guarantee that
any distance measurement you take will be real, since
you cannot trust that the end points of an object can
be measured at the same time (since time is abstract).
Further, since no physical objects ever actually touch
save through the medium of force fields, you cannot
eliminate the 'abstract' from *any* measurement you
might want to make.

Your model is even more broken than I had imagined.
You don't need to fix it, you need to discard it
entirely and start over.


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