On May 15, 9:17*am, jem wrote:
kenseto wrote:
On May 14, 5:03 pm, PD wrote:
On May 14, 12:53 pm, kenseto wrote:

On May 14, 11:22 am, " wrote:
On 14 mayo, 10:03, kenseto wrote:
On May 13, 6:36 pm, "Simple Simon" wrote:
3. Einstein asserted that the train observer is rushing toward the
light front from the front and receding away from the light front from
the rear.
These assertions means that the light front from the front
will take less transit time to reach the train observer and that the
light front from the rear will take more transit time to reach the
train observer.
Obviously (assuming that the specificity that you omit has the observers and
events at the same times and locations as the classic thought experiment
does).
No I didn't assume anything of the sort. Einstein's assertion implies
that the light front from the front will take less transit time to
reach the train observer and the light front fron the rear will take
longer transit time to reach the train observer. This can only mean
one thing: Einstein's assertion violates the isotropy of the speed of
light in the train.
Once more you show you do not understand English!. Stop lying!
On the contrary, what Einstein said, and everybody else but you
understands, is that the train observer is moving towards the light
signal coming from the front of the train, and that light signal is,
for sure, traveling at c to reach him (as the back light signal is
also doing). Isotropy is never touched here
****ing idiot....the light signal from the front and the rear were
generated at equal distance from the train observer. if the signal
from the front reaches the train observer before the signal from the
rear that means that it takes different transit times for light to
travel equal distance in different directions.

No, the light signals *started* their transit at different times in
the train frame. The transit times are equal. As a consequence, they
arrive at different times.

Hey idiot if the light signals ("started" or "occurred") at different
times in the train frame then these are not the same light signals as
seen by the track observer. Why? Because Einstein stipulated that the
singals occurred simultaneously.

Seto's delusions of grandeur entirely control his thought process.

Yes, he's in a psychic trap. His reality *must* conform to his dim
memory, and if reality looms in conflict with that, then it is easier
for him to reject reality than it is for him to adjust his thinking.
This is what leads to Seto's extended separations from reality in
which he says in one breath, "Einstein said so," and in the next
breath, "Einstein could not possibly have meant what he said."

*No
matter how many times he's told that this is not what Einstein
stipulated, and no matter how many times he's shown that this is not
what Einstein stipulated, it isn't going to register.

The reason why Einstein said that the
train observer will not see these signals to occur simultaneously is
becasue the signal from the front is arriving at a transit time of L/(c
+v) and the signal from the rear is arriving at a transit time of L/(c-
v).

Note that the order of deduction is actually the reverse of this.
1. First, it is *observed* by the train observer that they arrive at
different times. No amount of telling him what he should have seen
instead will convince him otherwise, because he knows what he saw.

Hey idiot this is an assertion based on the validity of RoS. We are
here tryin g to determine the validity of RoS.

2. The transit times are determined to be equal. This is because the
distance traveled is equal, as verified by the train observer, and
because the speed of light is equal in both directions, as verified by
the train observer.

The transit times are not equal if you include Einstein's assertion
that the train observer is moving wrt the light fronts. The transit
times are equal if you exclude Einstein's bogus assertion that the
train observer is moving wrt the light fronts.

3. Therefore, the only possible conclusion is that the original
strikes occurred at different times in the train frame.

There are only two strikes. They cannot occur simultaneously in the
track frame and not occur simultaneously in the train frame. Einstein
gave the following bogus reasons why the train observer will not see
the strikes to be simultaneous
1. The strikes occur at equal distance from the track and train
observers simultaneously.
2. The track observer is not moving wrt the light fronts and therefore
he will see the strikes to be simultaneous.
3. The train observer is moving wrt the light fronts and therefore he
will not see the strikes to be simultaneous.

Ken Seto