On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote:

On May 9, 2:41*am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On May 8, 10:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:





Although Silly Vesselin Petkov was very close to the truth:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810030v13
Silly Vesselin Petkov: "It has been overlooked that the wavelength of
a photon in the gravitational redshift experiment cannot change along
with its frequency due to the conservation of the photon momentum. As
both frequency and velocity change in this experiment the measurement
of a change in a photon frequency is in fact an indirect measurement
of a change in the photon local velocity."

Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly and now Silly
Vesselin Petkov is very far from the truth. Here is an Einsteinian
that Criminal Tom Roberts has not confused yet so this particular
Einsteinian is still very close to the truth:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

So if Criminal Tom Roberts had not confused Silly Vesselin Petkov so
irreversibly, Silly Vesselin Petkov could say to Silly Ian Morison:

http://fora.tv/2008/02/21/Ian_Moriso...vity_in_Action

Silly Vesselin Petkov: "Hey, Silly Ian Morison, Pound and Rebka did
not prove the existence of any gravitational time dilation! Rather,
although they did not know it, they proved the validity of Einstein's
1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) showing how the speed of light varies with
the gravitaional potential V. If they had known how to apply
Einstein's equivalence principle in such cases, they would also have
shown the validity of the equation c'=c+v given by Newton's emission
theory of light, where v is the relative speed of the light source and
the observer."

Silly Vesselin Petkov will never say that to Silly Ian Morison because
Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly.


I think everything about theories should be ok in the ngs, even
trolling, but yet I recommend not characterizing anyone as criminal,
especially Roberts, with whom I have had many arguments with but he is
a good scienstist and does nto deserve this.

Roberts has spent his lifetime becoming an expert in a theory that is wrong
from the first paragraph.....
I suppose self-delusion is only a crime when it is inflicted upon others.

Not even Dirt van den Merde, he no criminal, he just trolling idiot.

Mike







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