On May 6, 11:00*pm, Bryan Olson wrote:
kenseto wrote:
Bryan Olson wrote:
kenseto wrote:
So you are now saying that the SR stay-at-home observer doesn't claim
that the traveling clock is running at a slower rate....right??
Wrong. Why not look at what he did in fact say, instead of making
up statements and asking him if that's what he's saying?
Previously you admitted that every SR observer claims that all clocks
moving wrt him are running slow. Is this not a valid claim anymore?
The problem, Ken, is that you dumb down the correct statements to
match your insufficient understanding, or maybe just because you
are not honest, and from the compromised versions you draw false
conclusions. While the twins' clocks are in uniform motion (with
no significant gravitational effects) one clock is running slower
in coordinate system S; the other is running slower in coordinate
system S', where S and S' are the rest frames of the two twins.

I am *not* saying the dumbed-down version that the stay-at-home
twin's clock is running faster.

Try raising your game to the level where you can understand SR
for what it actually says. Trying to bring SR down to the level
of your current understanding has proven worse than useless.

ROTFLOL....it is you runts of the SRians don't understand SR. The
reason why SR says that S sees the S' clock run slow and S' sees the S
clock runs slow is because an observer does not know whose clock is
really running slow.

Well, that's not SR. That's Ken Seto theory, and so far it seems
to apply only in its author's head.

Hey idiot that's the correct interpretation of SR. When you compare
two clocks A and B that has different elapsed time the possibilities
exist are as follows:
1. "A" runs at a slower rate than B. That means that B is running at a
faster rate than A. The SR observer takes the B position.
2. "A" runs at a faster rate than B. That means that A is running at a
faster rate than B. In this case the SR observer takes the A position.
As you can see the position of the SR observer only cover 1/2 of the
possibilities and that's why SR is incomplete.

Ken Seto

This way it covers all the possibilities. BTW an
IRT observer also does not know whose clock is really running slow.
IRT covers both possibilities by haveing two sets of equations one for
the observed clock is really running slow and the other for the
observed clock is really running fast.

Ken, how's the experiment going? Putting that funding to good use?
Shouldn't you hold off on the proclamations until you have the
experimental evidence?

BTW what you said that an SR observer sees all clocks moving wrt him
are running slow are contradicted by experiment and observations. From
the grou8nd clock's point of view the SR effect on the GPS clock is 7
us/day running slow. But from the GPS point of view the SR effect on
the ground clock is approx. 7 us/day running fast. So you see the
assertion that an SR observer sees all the clocks moving wrt him are
running slow is a bogus assertion.

It's a bogus assertion because Ken made it up. My version, still
quoted above, included, "while the twins' clocks are in uniform
motion (with no significant gravitational effects)..."

I also said, "the problem, Ken, is that you dumb down the correct
statements to match your insufficient understanding, or maybe
just because you are not honest, and from the compromised versions
you draw false conclusions." *Nice of Ken to follow up with a demo
of just that.

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