On Apr 21, 2:51 pm, George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
Horse's ass; NOTHING EXISTED before Man arrived, because
"EXISTENCE" is a HUMAN PERCEPTION.... no people, no
existence.

I must stop you here. You are correct ONLY in that you are using a
limited definition of "existence". You have continued to insist that
"perception" must be organic in nature, that a mind-occupied human
brain be involved.

I have repeatedly told you that you are looking at an EMERGENT
phenomenon; that of mind emerging from the physics and chemistry of
biology. Each individual step in "perception" is strict, mind-LESS
physics; sight is photons stimulating (being perceived by) electrons
in rhodopsin molecules in the rods and cones, which stimulates (is
perceived by) poised ions to fall through pores in retinal ganglial
neuron membranes, which via weighted summation stimulates (is
perceived by) yet more ion transfers in other neuron membranes, and so
on until huge sweeping sychronized cascades of ion transfers occur
across otherwise unrelated masses of cerebral neurons aggregated into
various cortexes produce (are perceived by) for instance the speech
cortex, whose output is perceived by chains of neural ion membrane
transfers leading to perception by muscular end effectors leading to
your brain's processing of what you saw being perceived by the air
molecules in front of your face, which pass their perceptions
electromagnetically on to other molecules, and so on to somebody
else's ears.

At NO point in that strictly physical chain of events can ANYONE say
"here is mind" or "here is soul".

Notice that each event in the chain above is a physical/chemical
PERCEPTION by (generally) an orbital electron of a passing photon.

THAT IS THE BASIS OF ALL PERCEPTION.

This is the FICTITIOUS sticking point the Quantum Mechanics cannot
get past and which you have unconsciously accepted as Fundamentally
true; that an Observer (notice capitalization) MUST BE a human.

This is blatantly false. AT NO POINT in the classic Schroedinger's
Cat gedankenexperiment can ANYONE show why the experimenter's
viewpoint is privileged; not only is the cat an equal Observer, SO IS
THE VIAL OF POISON! For that matter SO IS THE DECAY DETECTOR THAT
BREAKS THE VIAL!

All these stimulation-perception events exist INDEPENDENTLY of any
data-processing wetware (except in the case of the cat).

I have been waiting for you to notice this on your own, to
comprehend that THE LACK OF A PREFERRED (privileged) FRAME OF
REFERENCE IN PHYSICS ANALOGIZES DIRECTLY TO YOUR SPOG! You have either
failed to do so because you're too damn busy WASTING TIME AND ENERGY
exchanging vitriol with your detractors, or because you share the 19th-
century arrogance of those who cling desperately to a Preferred Frame
and are red-shifting themselves into the dust of history.

I'm getting too old to wait much longer so I'm telling you
explicitly; your SPOG is a SPECIAL CASE of a more general theory of
Quantum Relativity that to exist, must first have its components (one
of which will be your perfected SPOG) shorn of that 19th-century
arrogance I spoke of above.

Notice that unlike almost all your correspondents here I have NEVER
called you wrong, insane, deluded, or anything similar. I HAVE said
that I think you're on to something more powerful, more important than
anything else humans have ever gotten involved in BUT you must get
your EGO OUT OF YOUR WAY in order to CURE humanity of its ongoing
INSANITY caused by not being AWARE of its FALSE perceptions of
REALITY.

If anybody would like to point out that I'm using CAPITAL LETTERS
every few words like some kind of CRANK, screw them, the emphasis is
necessary.

Don't bother asking me about my C.V. George, I already told you I
don't have one. Except this: I'm the man you proved to be smarter than
you by the measure of that perception-speed website, I'm the man who
told you who the 13th zodiac sign (the Snake Wrestler) was, I'm the
man who told you to investigate why so many ancient cultures valued
slaves that did tile work (BTW did you ever look into that?), I'm the
man who told you to look into the 4-D geometry of the Qaballa, I'm the
man who gave you the term "eigengods", and so on.

I've handed you more and more historical CONFIRMATIONS of your SPOG
and more extrapolative spinoffs of it than anyone else but I've never
required any kind of recognition for that from you UNTIL NOW. Want to
know why? ONLY to emphasize that YOU ARE NOT A GOD. YOU ARE AS LIMITED
AS ANYONE ELSE by your own BGD and therefore YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS
BEING ARROGANT. That BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LISTEN
TO ME BECAUSE BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS I PERCEIVE MORE OF REALITY THAN
YOU DO. Not that I think I'm a god either, but that I know something
you need to hear.

What do I want you to hear? Nothing much. Just get past this
silliness of Reality not existing until humans came along; abandon the
fiction of a preferred reference frame. If you like you might talk
about other "sub-gods" related to other, lesser perceptive mechanisms
and networks all the way down to the quantum gods of individual
electrons*, but that's all COMPLETELY irrelevant to your real work
anyway, bringing the SPOG to its full fruition so that it can do what
only it can do; show INDISPUTABLY that the cause of all human
suffering is our faulty perceptions, and that the path to peace and
harmony is AWARENESS OF OUR LIMITATIONS AND THE WILLINGNESS TO WORK
WITHIN THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

In other words QUIT SCREWING AROUND and GET BACK TO WORK.

Please. Before we extinct ourselves and make the whole thing moot.


Mark L. Fergerson

* That is NOT meaningless; consider that an electron in an atomic
orbital can only "perceive" a limited number of incoming photons; only
those corresponding to allowed transitions to other orbitals, while a
free electron can "perceive" any passing photon. However the latter's
response will not be as predictable BECAUSE it is not constrained-
this obviously correlates to the information-processing power of
"constrained" (organized) matter like rhodopsin molecules and brains.

This is an electron's analog of the BGD, but as electrons do not
grow old and have very limited response mechanisms it is like other
analogies and ought not be pushed too far. However it should be
obvious how the human (and other animals') BGD can be extrapolated
from aggregating large numbers of constrained particles into networks.

But don't spend too much time on this; as I said it's irrelevant to
fully developing the SPOG to free humanity's eyes of its "scales".