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Old May 5th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Eric Gisse
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Default Kip Thorn and the excuse of black holes

On May 4, 4:27*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 4, 12:49 am, Eric Gisse wrote:







On May 3, 9:50 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
Having black holes or no black holes is a serious matter and not an
issue of terminology. *You are very guilty of creating mysticism and
passing it on as wisdom.


** *MYSTICISM IS NOT WIDSOM


Schwarzschild’s original solution to the field equations does not
manifest black holes, but Hilbert’s solution does which is known as
the Schwarzschild metric. *Both solutions are asymptotically flat,
spherically symmetric, and static. *Both solutions at weak gravitation
are compatible with Newtonian law of gravity. *In fact, there are an
infinity numbers of such solutions that fit these criteria.
Scientifically, there should be no preference as to which solution is
more valid. *But through mysticism, you favor the Schwarzschild metric
for some reasons involving the black art.


What you were told before and still do not understand:


* The Schwarzschild and Hilbert solutions are the same solution. There
is a coordinate mapping between the two.


Then, you have to justify why Schwarzschild’s original solution is a
transform of Hilbert’s solution, and Mr. Corthers has to justify why
Hilbert’s solution is a transform of Schwarzschild’s original
solution. *As I have pointed out, both solutions are asymptotically
flat, spherically symmetric, and static. *Both solutions at weak
gravitation are compatible with Newtonian law of gravity. *So, what
else decides them apart?


Nothing decides them apart as they are the exact same solution in
different coordinate systems. This has been explained to you so many
times it is unbelievable.

We have asked you to show how they are different solutions by actually
computing something, yet you can't. What does that say?

BTW - Crothers is a fantastic idiot. Is he where you get your
arguments?


* Black holes are still there. Changing coordinates doesn't make the
trapped surface go away.


It depends on if you decide on Schwarzschild’s original solution being
a transform of Hilbert’s solution or vice versa. *What gives you the
right to play God by deciding which solution is a transform of
another?


Where do you get it in your head that one is "playing god" by
preferring a particular coordinate system?


* You are stupid.


shrug


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