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Mike wrote:

On May 2, 10:35*am, kenseto wrote:

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Again it seems that SR is making contradictory claims.

It does. So does the only barber in your town who shaves all men that
do not shave themselves:

(1) If he shaves himself then he does not shave himself

***{That is incorrect. If he shaves himself, he does not fall under the
heading of "all men who do not shave themselves." Result: he can claim
to shave all those who do not shave themselves, and he can do so without
contradiction. --MJ}***

(2) If he does not shave himself then he does shave himself

***{If he does not shave himself, he falls under the heading of "all men
who do not shave themselves." Result: if he claims to shave all men who
do not shave themselves, we would conclude that he has made a false
statement. --MJ}***

What is wrong with that you kenseto kind of thing? You find sole
barbers in many small villages around the world.

***{Nothing is wrong with it. The law of contradiction holds that no
statement can be simultaneously true and false--which means: the
situation described by a self-contradictory statement cannot exist in
reality. Note very explicitly that the law of contradiction does not
hold that people cannot construct statements that are either explicitly
or implicitly self-contradictory. All it indicates is that such
statements cannot be true--which means: they cannot correspond to
reality. --MJ}***

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Does the barber in your tiny village
shave himself or not?

***{If the barber is shaved by another, yet claims to shave himself, his
statement is false. If he is shaved by another, yet claims to shave all
those who do not shave themselves, his statement is false by
implication. How do we know that? We know it because contradictions
cannot exist in reality. The law of contradiction tells us that.

Is the law of contradiction refuted by the existence of a
self-contradictory statement? No, because it does not hold that such
statements cannot exist, only that their claims cannot be an accurate
description of reality.

Bottom line: if a person makes a claim which, either explicitly or
implicitly, is self-contradictory, his statement is false. It doesn't
matter whether the person in question is Albert Einstein or someone
else. This is one of those very rare instances in which all men (and
women) are truly equal.

--Mitchell Jones

[snip]

Mike





Ken Seto

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