On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT), Smooth John
wrote:

Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?
Before abandoning science you might have a look at Process Physics. It
may be more to your liking than other theories you have seen so far.

From:
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cp...ssphysics.html

A new paradigm for the modelling of reality is currently being
developed called Process Physics. In Process Physics we start from the
premise that the limits to logic, which are implied by Gödel's
incompleteness theorems, mean that any attempt to model reality via a
formal system is doomed to failure. Instead of formal systems we use a
process system, which uses the notions of self-referential information
with self-referential noise and self-organised criticality to create a
new type of information-theoretic system that is realising both the
current formal physical modelling of reality but is also exhibiting
features such as the direction of time, the present moment effect and
quantum state entanglement (including EPR effects, nonlocality and
contextuality), as well as the more familiar formalisms of Relativity
and Quantum Mechanics. In particular a theory of Gravity has already
emerged.


In short, rather than the static 4-dimensional modelling of present
day (non-process) physics, Process Physics is providing a dynamic
model where space and matter are seen to emerge from a fundamentally
random but self-organising system. The key insight is that to
adequately model reality we must move on from the traditional
non-process syntactical information modelling to a process semantic
information modelling; such information is `internally meaningful'.
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When it comes to religion, I quite like this.
http://www.pantheism.net