On 24 Apr, 21:45, "
wrote:
On 23 apr, 23:25, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:
On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:
So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!
Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
[Hammond]
� �WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.
This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. �No humans, no existence.
The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:
� � � � The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
� � � � �e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
� � � � �years ago when Man came into existence
� � � � �because TIME ITSELF came into existence
� � � � �when Man came into existence.
SNIP CRAP
I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
exists in your mind, and not in that of other people.
[Hammond]
Â* Â*Wrong Pizzaman. Â*Religion is FOUNDED on exactly my
explanation of "existence". Â*In case you haven't noticed 85%
of the world's population are adherents to one of the 5
major faiths. Â*This means 85% of the world agrees with my
definition of "existence" in principle when it comes to the
scientific phenomenon of "God".
You are saying that religious people generally admit that the only
reason why something exists is because they believe it to exist?
I wish they did,
but they don't.
Apperantly Â*you do,
which in my opinion makes you an atheist.
Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

All he is saying is that IF what he says is true, such and such a
thing follows. Apart from the credulous few, one would hope nobody got
anything but such an impression.

In the physical sphere, the past causes the future; in the human
sphere, the future causes the past.
--
'foolsrushin.'