On Apr 20, 5:28*pm, George Hammond wrote:
* * * * * * * * * GOD = RAP
* * * (Relativistic Anthropic Principle)

* *The Anthropic Principle is well known to Science today.
Carter, Barrow, Tipler, Wheeler and even Hawking and Penrose
and Weinberg have written extensively on the subject.
* *What Science DOESN'T KNOW is that the Anthropic Principle
was actually discovered thousands of years ago by Religion.
The irony of this has not been lost on Religious experts.
* *Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". *After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.
* *As far as Physics is concerned of course, "Man" is THE
observer. *This proves that it is MAN who causes the
Universe to exist. *After all, if all people died at 9am
tomorrow, there would no longer be any observables, no
universe, no time, no space; no nothing. *NOTHING WOULD
"EXIST".

Nope, you are contardicting yourself. If GOD exists then GOD will be
the observer and everything will exists even if all men died.

Since the totality of human intelligence cannot surprass GOD's
intelligence according to religion, then GOD, since HE is also an
observer, created reality and not man.

* *Religion recognized this principle thousands of years
ago, St. Augustine in particular. *In fact Bishop George
Berkeley formally published the thesis 300 years ago, and as
recently as 1900 Mary Baker Eddy founded the highly
successful Christian Science Church on the principle.
* It is therefore a fascinating irony that Science has
finally stumbled on the PRACTICAL DISCOVERY of the Anthropic
Principle... they finally recognized such elementary facts
as WHY the Universe is 13 billion years old... i.e. that it
took that long for Man to emerge, and without Man there is
no "Universe"... therefore, the Anthropic Principle not only
explains the "age of the Universe"... but that realization
actually proves that the AP explains the existence of the
Universe in the first place!

* *OK... but the scientists have YET to realize this; that
the existence itself, of anything, depends on the Anthropic
Principle... and therefore, that the Anthropic Principle de
facto explains the so called "Biblical Creation"...
existence itself only came into being 200,000 years ago when
Man appeared; Homo Sapiens sapiens. *Note that the Bible
figures this was 6,000 years ago, but Anthropology was in a
primitive state when the Bible was written, so they're about
194,000 short of the correct date of Creation... but still a
good guess for nonscientific people in primitive times.

The term "anthropic" was a bad choice as Carter huimself admitted. The
principle applies to intelligent aobservers in general and not
restricted to human beings.


* OK.... here's the REAL ENTERTAINMENT aspect of all this.
Religious people are far smarter and more widely educated
than Scientists (believe it or not), and consequently they
view the Scientific "discovery" of the Anthropic Principle
with MUCH AMUSEMENT, since they have known about it for
thousands of years.
* The Religious people of course realize that "Man created
reality" and they further realize that Scientists think that
"Reality created Man". *

[snip]

Listen yo: if man created his own reality he did a bad job. Even a
monkey would have created a betetr reality for its race. This universe
is hostile to poeple, thanks we have Van Allen to protect us and ozone
layer at least for now.

Even yo would have creaated a better universe. Actually, some belive
that this universe was created by a young God as an experiment and at
that time he only had experience with the Poisson equation and
Gaussian distributions.

Mike