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Old February 27th 08 posted to alt.messianic,alt.philosophy,sci.physics.relativity,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion
Roy Jose Lorr
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Default Contrasting Pair: Matter and Nothingness

wrote:

On Feb 26, 3:48 pm, Roy Jose Lorr wrote:

dlzc wrote:

Dear Roy Jose Lorr:


On Feb 26, 1:30 pm, Roy Jose Lorr wrote:


"Matter exists on the motion created by Nothingness
drawing Matter back into the Nothingness from whence
it came."


Constructive comments in simple terms, pro and con
will be appreciated.


It is not Science. It is verbal nonsense, with almost no cognates in
common with the Standard Model.


To which 'Standard Model' do you refer?




"Nothingness" is not helpful.


Is matter not something? Is somethingness not the opposite of
nothingness, making nothingness and somethingness an opposite pair:
positive/negative, day/night, backward/forward, etc.?



Yes, you are quite right, Roy. In fact, the particles of the Standard
Model span the space of something/nothing. The first family is the
something and the third family is the nothing - it hardly appears at
all in ordinary matter. It is the so-called subjectivist "illusion,"
in which time also plays a part, according to Einstein. Our
scientific friend has his scientific head way up his scientific ass.


The word 'particles' puts them in the realm of somethingness. As for
time, it is a human construct made from within the the same realm.



Matter is diffusing, not being "drawn


in".


Matter 'diffuses' in which direction, from where, to where?

Mass appears to derive from the System, not (detectably) the


Progenitor to the system.


How does matter derive from a system undetected?

Entirely possible that space, time (the


"motion"), and mass all derive from the System.


What is there in this statement that differs from religious supposition?



Otherwise a perfectly meaningless use of the English language. Are
you considering running for the US Presidential nomination?


English is my third language, what's your excuse?



He is an asshole. However, there is a huge jump from acknowledging
nothingness as the subjectivist illusion and your assertion that it
could become all-powerful and absorb the something. Rather, physics
pulls in the opposite direction and absorbs the nothing into the
something. However, this push and pull is just the conflict of G-d
and matter that drove HaShem to madness. Jews want to paint Jesus as
the madman, but they are projecting a mile a minute. It is JHVH, the
G-d of the old testament, who was driven mad by His opposite, the Hyle
or Matter.


When you say particles I assume them to be part of the material
somethingness. It is only material/energy that is transient. When it
expires where does it go and why does it go there? So far my intuition
tells me that lost matter is not lost but is retired/returned to
nothingness from which it was created. Eventually, dead is dead with no
waste/garbage being left behind.
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