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Old February 17th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.philo
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Default ENTROPY: SUPREME LAW OF NATURE OR SCIENCE-KILLER?

On 17 Ún, 16:31, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
I couldn't resist commenting on the title of this thread.

Entropy as the supreme law of nature? It may be the "supreme law" of
this universe, but I see no evidence that it is the supreme law of
nature (by "nature" I mean the way all things are, including God as below)..

How did this universe get here? Well, we don't know, but there
is undoubtedly a lot of negentropy about. Let's say "God" created the
universe, where "God" can be a thinking entity or a blind process as you
please.

Two possibilities arise: the negentropy was created by God de novo, or
it was moved from a store of negentropy God has control of.

If the negentropy was created de novo, then there is some process (God)
which can create negentropy, and the law of entropy is not the supreme
law of nature.

If the negentropy was moved from a store of negentropy, where did the
store of negentropy come from? Without descending into infinite
recursion ("it came from another store, and it's turtles all the way
down forever"), which I dislike, perhaps the store "just is", or even
"just was".

Then we ask, is the store of negentropy infinite in extent? If so the
law of entropy is void for nature (as defined above). If not then the
law of entropy may be the supreme law of nature - but I don't know of
any evidence that that is the case.

The answer may be ineffable of course, or even not exist (though they
may be the same thing as far as we are concerned).

-- Peter Fairbrother


Negentropy is not a concept of thermodynamics. It was coined, unfortunately for
him, by Brillouin. He failed to get Nobel price, and tried to connect
thermodynamics with information theory.

I noted, that H function was derived from the polynomial coefficient, counting all
possibilities how motion can be distributed between molecules, for example 7
quantas of motion between 7 molecules. E. g. state aaabbcd can be
transformed to state bbbccd. All quantas stick in one place, when we do not
count with wave functions.

Information entopy measures, how many information strings can be formed
from such strings, e. g. string aaabbcd can be transformed to string bababad
with another meaning. Symbols are dispersed in whole strings, they behave
differently from molecules. These possibilities measured by another polynomial
coefficient. Both coefficients can be identified in the distribution known under
Brillouin's name.

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