Dr. Henri Wilson wrote:
According to relativists, GPS clocks GAIN 38us per day on the ground clock.
That is due to two components, 45us for gravity and -7us for relative speed.
According to the 'religious jargon' the Schwarzschild metric
GPS clocks should gain 38us per day on the ground clock,
and according to continuous observations during 30+ years,
we know that GPS clocks do indeed gain 38us/day on the ground clock.
Accordingly, an observer (OO) in GPS orbit would see the GC LOSING 52us per
day.
I see you are invoking your tick fairies again. :-)
When the ground clock shows X and the orbiting clock shows X+38us,
why do you think an orbiting observer would read that as X-14us and X+38us?
How can anybody disagree about what a clock shows?
What a veird idea. :-)
Yesterday I wrote:
| I bet you will forget that you yet again have admitted
| that no tick fairies are required, and invoke them yet again.
| Tomorrow maybe?
| You have a short memory.
Wow. I can predict the future!
I see you have forgotten this as well:
It is the very same scenario as yours above.
(only per orbit in stead of per day.
One orbit = half a sidereal day.)
See this conversation from October 2004:
Paul B. Andersen wrote:
| Consider the following scenario.
| We have two identical clocks on the ground, both running
| at the frequency 1MHz. Let's call each cycle a "tick".
| One of the clocks is launched into GPS orbit.
| Let N be the number of ticks counted by the ground
| clock during one orbit of the orbiting clock, as observed
| from the ground.
|
| It is then experimentally verified that the orbiting clock
| will tick out N+19 ticks during one orbit.
|
| - The ground clock can observe that the orbiting clock
| ticks out N+19 ticks while itself is ticking out N ticks.
| - The orbiting clock can observe that the ground clock
| ticks out N ticks while itself is ticking out N+19 ticks.
| - The ground clock will measure one orbit to last N us.
| - The orbiting clock will measure one orbit to last N+19 us.
| - The ground clock will measure the average frequency
| of the orbiting clock to be (N+19)/N MHz.
| - The orbiting clock will measure the average frequency
| of the ground clock to be N/(N+19) MHz.
|
| Can you please point out what your 'tick fairies' are
| supposed to do in this scenario?
|
| Are there any missing ticks?
| Are there any ticks to many?
|
| I expect another miserable failure by Henri Wilson.
Henri Wilson wrote:
| No Paul you are actually learning and have eliminated the fairies....
Paul B. Andersen wrote:
| This is the very same scenario as always.
| I never saw any fairies in it.
| YOU were the one that asserted their presence.
|
| Am I now to understand that you are retracting that claim?
| Are you admitting that there were no need for any fairies?
| So when you are referring to my "tick fairies", that was
| actually YOUR tick fairies which you now have killed?
|
| Fine. It's settled then. Henri Wilson have given up.
| There never was any need for 'tick fairies.'
Henri Wilson wrote:
| I never DID believe in fairies.
Paul B. Andersen wrote:
| The point is that you have claimed that the scenario above
| is impossible without those fairies.
|
| You have referred to "Paul's tick faires" enumerable times, Henri.
| The statement that made me respond was:
| Henri Wilson wrote:
| Jesus christ, I do believe Tom has just discovered
| Paul Andersen's famous tick fairies.
|
| But now you have admitted that the scenario above is
| perfectly possible without any fairies.
|
| So will you remember this for the future, and stop referring
| to "Paul's tick fairies", please?
|
| Otherwise I will have to remind you about this scenario again.
Henri Wilson wrote:
| OK Paul, I will never refer to PAUL ANDERSEN'S FAMOUS TICK FAIRIES again.......
You are really something, Henry.
Is this scenario really so hard to grasp that
you have to screw it up and invoke your tick fairies
every second day?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/