"Michael Gordge" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 4:48 pm, Laurent wrote:

Empty space was, then came the universe.

Wrong, space is a part of the universe, there is no such thing as
"outside, or space outside", beyond the universe is an oxymoron.

The universe includes space, the definitition of the universe is, all
of that which exists, including all of the known by man and the yet to
know and space is known, it can be sensed.

But the Kantian mystics will agree with you, they have several
definitons for each and every man made concept, even meanings which
contradict each other.

e.g. Kantians will tell you that space is where the tree is and isn't
at the exact same moment, i.e. they want their cake and to eat it
too.

And they just change the meaning of space to suit, and they do that by
pretendng that by preceding the concept with an adjective, it
magically and totally changes the meaning of the concept which it
precedes.

Michael Gordge


And then they ascribe properties to that which is not and has no properties,
whilst ignoring any properties is should have in parallel to the properties
they ascribe to it.
The all-pervading aether should have a varying density as air does, with
weather patterns to distort and shimmer images.
The mystics mystify themselves.
They are of the class of homo neanderthalensis that state,
"I think it must be, therefore it is".
Having seized upon what, to them, is an explanation, it becomes
a truth which no logic can shake, and is then reinforced by others
of like stupidity to whom they will listen, ignoring any counter
argument with utterances of "you don't understand". They do, of
course, and you should listen to them. Chattering gorillas, all of them.
However, it must be said that their main opponents, the relativists, are
of like mind, merely of opposite polarity.