"Roland PJ" wrote in message
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: On Dec 24, 6:34 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
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: : Now, the Pioneers will have experienced time dilation in the correct
: : direction (blue-shift for us on earth) as they escape the
gravitational
: : well of the Sun, as follows:
: :
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: Actually the first step in your logic was so deeply dodgy that the rest
: can be ignored with impunity as meaningless unprovable drivel.
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: No, this is is completely undisputed.

Yes, I dispute your crackpottery.
How come you haven't stuffed GR into a computer program
and flogged it yet? After all, it only has to produce numbers
that nobody will challenge.

: Any mass will cause time
: dilation according to General Relativity.

Bull****, there is no such animal as "time dilation".

The Sun is not exempt.

General Relativity was written by a charlatan. Bring out your crystal
ball, tea leaves, horology, palmistry, chicken gizzards, sacrificial goat
entrails or whatever else you are using and shove it all up your time
dilation slot. Your witchcraft has no effect on me.

: You are talking about Special Relativity, which is not appropriate to
: my argument.

You don't have a logical argument. If GR could prophesy future positions
of Mercury, Pioneer or anything else better than Newtonian Mechanics it
would have solved the three body problem. Mathematicians are not firing
off party poppers and drinking champagne even if Einstein's fan club is.


: But thanks for the digression

You are welcome. Go on, put GR into a computer program,
I always wanted a relativistic computer.