On Dec 24, 6:34 pm, "Androcles" wrote:

:
: Now, the Pioneers will have experienced time dilation in the correct
: direction (blue-shift for us on earth) as they escape the gravitational
: well of the Sun, as follows:
:

Actually the first step in your logic was so deeply dodgy that the rest
can be ignored with impunity as meaningless unprovable drivel.

No, this is is completely undisputed. Any mass will cause time
dilation according to General Relativity. The Sun is not exempt.

You are talking about Special Relativity, which is not appropriate to
my argument.

But thanks for the digression

Roland